Does Israel want full scale war in the Middle East?

www.timesofisrael.com/how-culpable-were-dutch-jews-in-the-slave-trade/

This is a credible account, there has been a determined attempt to distance them from slavery, but if there was money to be made those that could did trade slaves, there were also Jewish plantation owners.

Link for other faiths please

The question of elections and increasing hostilities is based in the complex history which started when Israel was founded in the then British Protectorate of Palestine. (But Palestine was never granted the status of an independent state). We also haven't mentioned the PLO which represented the Palestinian people for some years.

I wanted a summary of the history of Palestine which shows "how things came to be as they are in terms of hostilities ", and found this UN summary.

Bearwith..

Occupied by Israel since June 1967, the West Bank - including East Jerusalem- and the Gaza Strip have come to constitute the occupied Palestinian territory (OPT).

These territories, along with Israel, form the area of the former British Mandate over Palestine, intended under the terms of United Nations General Assembly Resolution 181 of 1947 to be partitioned into two States, one Arab and another Jewish

While the State of Israel was established on 15 May 1948 and admitted to the United Nations, a Palestinian State was not established.

The remaining territories of pre-1948 Palestine, the West Bank - including East Jerusalem- and Gaza Strip, were administered from 1948 till 1967 by Jordan and Egypt, respectively.

Since the occupation of the territories by Israel in 1967, the international community has repeatedly upheld the need for implementation of Security Council resolutions 242 and 338, which call for withdrawal of Israel from the occupied territories.

Peace accords between the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO), representing the Palestinian people, and the Government of Israel since 1993 aimed at ending decades of conflict through implementation the two-State solution.

The period since 1993 saw the Israeli military withdrawal from some parts of the OPT, and the establishment of the Palestinian National Authority by the PLO in 1994 to assume the tasks of government in these areas.

The international community was quick to support Palestinian State-building and development efforts, with financial resources and technical assistance to public and private sector institutions.

However, the intensification of the conflict and the bleak political horizon since September 2000, Gaza’s blockade since June 2007, the tightening of the Israeli movement restrictions in the OPT have reversed economic gains since 1993 with serious socio-economic consequences.

Furthermore, the expansion of the Israeli settlements in the OPT, which has been declared as a "flagrant violation of international law” by Security Council resolution 2334 (23 December 2016), disrupts the peace process and threatens the Palestinian State formation process,

Nevertheless, the legitimacy of Palestinian statehood, long upheld by the United Nations General Assembly, was given additional support by Security Council Resolution 1397 of 2002, which affirmed the international community´s vision of two States, Israel and Palestine, living side by side within secure and recognized borders.

This global consensus has since become one of the major goals of initiatives to achieve a permanent peace agreement.

Anniebach

Link for other faiths please

Probably most if not all faiths have been involved when it was legal to sell and own slaves, today slavery is still legal in 94 countries, in the UK it is illegal but there are still many enslaved by criminal gangs.

Katie59 you chose to say Jews, if a Jew is convicted of a murder then - Jews are murders ?

Anniebach

Katie59 you chose to say Jews, if a Jew is convicted of a murder then - Jews are murders ?

We were discussing slavery Jews did participate, as did Christian’s and others, dont connect that with Israel today, different discussion.

“I think it's important to note that not all of the countries are currently hostile to Israel and although they do not want another war in the Middle East it doesn't mean they are friends of Israel.”

Not quite, it’s the US that does not want another war in the Middle East which is why many $billions are spent arming Egypt and Jordan so that the control their own terrorists
Israel gets 3.3 billion dollars a year, Egypt and Jordan combined get a similar amount

Wiki "How much aid has the US sent to Israel?
Israel has been the largest cumulative recipient of U.S. foreign aid since its founding, receiving about $300 billion (adjusted for inflation) in total economic and military assistance."

Just adding it into the aid to Jordan and Egypt.

It seems a shame to me that had Palestine been given proper status at the same time as Israel and helped to build a solid economic structure to feed and create jobs we might have seen less conflict. It seems all wrong to me that Palestinians have to wait until millions risk starvation to give aid.

I don’t think it would have made a jot of difference. The Palestinians/Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houti terrorists would all have still wanted to rid the Middle East of Jews. As would Iran.

Israel and Iran have long had a difficult relationship, and the conflict between them has deep political and geopolitical reasons. A full-fledged war between Israel and Iran could have serious consequences for the region and international security. Perhaps maintaining Israel's right-wing government also plays a role in current events.

maddyone

I don’t think it would have made a jot of difference. The Palestinians/Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houti terrorists would all have still wanted to rid the Middle East of Jews. As would Iran.

I disagree.

I'm not saying everything would be ideal or no conflict at all, but being stateless since 1948 when original boundaries were given to Israel, then the lack of control over their own territory as it was under the control of Egypt and Jordan until the 1960's......

.....then the occupations of Gaza and the West Bank with the help of 3 billion pounds from the USA

...was bound to create hostility and foster the rise of terrorism.

Breakfast news is reporting that Israel has carried out missile strikes in Iran overnight…

Why can the world not rein in these evil men, Netanyahu, Putin and the like?

Yes and the markets are starting to fall and the price of oil is rising.
Here we go.

I have just read through all the pages of this thread and for me the only people who talked sense were Wyllow and Paddyanne. Israel does itself no favours by land grabbing and treating Palestines as they do. Their behaviour is like the bully boys of the Middle East.

As little damage was done in the overnight attack by Israel it seems they were just warning Iran that this was just a taster of what they can do.
Now we have to see if Iran respond.

The uranium conversion facility in Isfahan is secure and not damaged which is the most important thing for the world’s safety and security.

Jews involved in the slave trade? Probably; they are part of the human race after all. Care to look into how involved Arabs were and still are if you care to investigate the slave labour in Saudi.

Wyllow3

maddyone

I don’t think it would have made a jot of difference. The Palestinians/Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houti terrorists would all have still wanted to rid the Middle East of Jews. As would Iran.

I disagree.

I'm not saying everything would be ideal or no conflict at all, but being stateless since 1948 when original boundaries were given to Israel, then the lack of control over their own territory as it was under the control of Egypt and Jordan until the 1960's......

.....then the occupations of Gaza and the West Bank with the help of 3 billion pounds from the USA

...was bound to create hostility and foster the rise of terrorism.

Stateless?.

The Scots and Welsh have been stateless for centuries yet they manage to get along with the hated English ( for now) without terrorism. There are hundreds of other ethnic groups that dont like the way they are governed. Palestine is not on it own, Israel has treated Palestinians badly but that is hardly surprising with the continual terrorist attacks against Israel, which have been promoted by outside governments.

There isn’t an easy solution, if a 2 state agreement did stop the fighting, do we really expect terrorist groups like Hamas or Muslim Brotherhood to stop attacking Israel, dream on if you believe that.

Welsh and Scots are not a faith and have roots further back
than 1948

The Welsh have managed to get along with the English ?

I think the overwhelming feeling on this thread is that peace has to be the endgame.

I do wonder if Israelis will ever feel safe in Israel whilst being surrounded by countries which appear to be hostile. I also wonder if Hamas, Hezbollah, The Houthis etc will ever except and thereby live side-by-side in peace with Israel.

Barmeyoldbat

I have just read through all the pages of this thread and for me the only people who talked sense were Wyllow and Paddyanne. Israel does itself no favours by land grabbing and treating Palestines as they do. Their behaviour is like the bully boys of the Middle East.

Hmm. Lots of bullying going on - for example, I think the Hostages should re released now - and I always distinguish between the actions of the Israeli government not its people many of whom are very unhappy with he regime.

GrannyGravy13

I think the overwhelming feeling on this thread is that peace has to be the endgame.

I do wonder if Israelis will ever feel safe in Israel whilst being surrounded by countries which appear to be hostile. I also wonder if Hamas, Hezbollah, The Houthis etc will ever except and thereby live side-by-side in peace with Israel.

I think the overwhelming feeling on this thread is that peace has to be the endgame.
Deeply desired.

GrannyGravy13

I think the overwhelming feeling on this thread is that peace has to be the endgame.

I do wonder if Israelis will ever feel safe in Israel whilst being surrounded by countries which appear to be hostile. I also wonder if Hamas, Hezbollah, The Houthis etc will ever except and thereby live side-by-side in peace with Israel.

Never as long as the mad mullahs govern Iran. They are behind all of it. October 7th, the Houthis, Hezbollah. Iran is the problem or rather the current government. You can’t reason with Islamic fundamentalists.

tickingbird the truth 👏👏👏