Does Israel want full scale war in the Middle East?

Katie59"Not quite, it’s the US that does not want another war in the Middle East which is why many $billions are spent arming Egypt and Jordan so that the control their own terrorists
Israel gets 3.3 billion dollars a year, Egypt and Jordan combined get a similar amount"
I do wish people would add links to support claims like this. Actually this is not correct. Both Egypt and Jordon get a mixture of economic aid and military aid, two thirds of Jordon's aid is economic, about 85% of Egypt's aid is military but it is crucial because of the importance of the Suez canal and also the role it plays in mediating in the Middle East. I attach two links which might will be of interest to anyone who bothers to read them.
www.usnews.com/news/best-countries/articles/countries-that-receive-the-most-foreign-aid-from-the-u-s
www.reuters.com/world/us-allows-much-egypt-military-aid-despite-human-rights-concerns-2023-09-14/

So it seems that this recent fracas - driven by Gaza amounted to

Israel bombing Iranian territory in the form of an Iranian embassy.

Iran retaliated by lobbing a few ineffective drones and a couple of missiles.

Israel then responds by some ineffectual missiles onto an Iranian airport.

Iranian has indicated all along that it doesn’t want a war with Israel.

Israel has also said it does want to take on Iran/Hezbollah - largely because it hasn’t finished what it started in Gaza as well as pressure from USA.

I suspect that this may well be it - for the time being at least.

Meanwhile the UN Security Council all voted to recognise Palestine as a state - all that is except the USA and its little satellite the U.K. and Switzerland.

Iran lobbing a few ineffective drones and a couple of missiles at Israel? A few? A couple?
Where do you get your news from Whitewavemark2 The Daily Hamas News Of The World?

Ragu

Why can the world not rein in these evil men, Netanyahu, Putin and the like?

You may not like Netanyahu, but he is nothing like Putin. When did he last send in assassins into Britain, or another country, to murder opponents of his regime? Or launch an unprovoked war against against another sovereign country?
Stick to the facts!

a few ineffective drones and missiles

Over three hundred drones and missiles, thankfully all shot down by the Israelis, the Americans, the French, the Jordanians, and the British. We sent our best airforce aircraft to support Israel with this action. Support of Iran is clearly at odds with other countries.

You have a clear dislike of your own country. You belittle Britain in your post.You say Iran doesn’t want war. Seriously? Iran is a friend of Russia, waged a catastrophic war on Iraq a few years ago, and treats its women appallingly. Yet you support Iran.

The Daily Hamas News of the World

There’s quite a few get their news from that source.

Must be Maddy

Their behaviour is like the bully boys of the Middle East

Just two numbers: 7/10

Must have slipped your mind.

Oreo

Iran lobbing a few ineffective drones and a couple of missiles at Israel? A few? A couple?
Where do you get your news from Whitewavemark2 The Daily Hamas News Of The World?

Don’t be silly oreo

What happened was that Iran has in fact proven that the Iron Dome can in fact be overridden very cheaply. Drones and cheap missiles worth very little in military terms can - they’ve proven- be lobbed in large numbers at Israel and overwhelm their main defence.

Israel spent millions in defending itself, but Iran only spent pennies in its effort.

I’m not supporting Iran, but trying to understand the situation, which could have devastating ramifications for all.

Israel is not a NATO member so it stands alone except support from the USA and possibly the U.K.

Iran has suggested that whilst (purportedly) their nuclear production is for domestic use, Israel’s conduct may push Iran towards producing nuclear weapons. Make of that what you will, but it isn’t particularly edifying to listen to.

Whitewave
You are almost correct in one thing. Everyone wants peace except Iran. Iran funds Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis. Iran does not want peace. You and I want peace. Gransnetters without exception want peace, whichever side of the fence they sit on, but Iran does not want peace.

Incidentally Israel is not only supported by Britain and the USA, but also by Jordan and France. If this situation escalates (God help us all if it does) many other countries will support Israel. Russia and China will likely support Iran.

Well assuming that you believe that Iran is lying when it says it doesn’t want open warfare, then you are correct.
Conversely you believe that Israel is telling the truth when it says it doesn’t want open warfare.

Myself?

I look at past action and behaviour.

The impact of both sets of actions has been minimal, and I am confident at present that de-escalation is now the order of the day.

You are correct Whitewave. I don’t believe a word Iran says. I do believe that Israel doesn’t want a full scale war. Past and present actions of Iran guide my judgment.

I agree with you in that hopefully de-escalation will now follow.

Iran does not want peace

Islam does not want peace, that’s the reality, the whole of Islamic teaching is that it is the ONLY true religion, everyone else are infidels. It seeks to expand its influence everywhere very often by violence, kidnapping and murder, and all true Muslims should be prepared to die for their faith.

Christianity, accepts that other religions should be respected and accepted, until Islam accepts that other religions should be respected there will always be conflict, currently there needs to be a quantum leap in Islamic teaching.

The whole world including America told us not to retaliate over the Falklands -Israel has got the right to make its own decisions.

Katie59

Wyllow3

maddyone

I don’t think it would have made a jot of difference. The Palestinians/Hamas, Hezbollah, and the Houti terrorists would all have still wanted to rid the Middle East of Jews. As would Iran.

I disagree.

I'm not saying everything would be ideal or no conflict at all, but being stateless since 1948 when original boundaries were given to Israel, then the lack of control over their own territory as it was under the control of Egypt and Jordan until the 1960's......

.....then the occupations of Gaza and the West Bank with the help of 3 billion pounds from the USA

...was bound to create hostility and foster the rise of terrorism.

Stateless?.

The Scots and Welsh have been stateless for centuries yet they manage to get along with the hated English ( for now) without terrorism. There are hundreds of other ethnic groups that dont like the way they are governed. Palestine is not on it own, Israel has treated Palestinians badly but that is hardly surprising with the continual terrorist attacks against Israel, which have been promoted by outside governments.

There isn’t an easy solution, if a 2 state agreement did stop the fighting, do we really expect terrorist groups like Hamas or Muslim Brotherhood to stop attacking Israel, dream on if you believe that.

The Scots and the Welsh have a degree of independence and are able to move about the world freely.
But when we did try to enforce restrictions on them there were many incidents of rebellion and terrorism. Not too long ago Plaid Cymru (or other welsh nationalists) were burning down holiday homes.

Me being silly? 😂
Just think what you posted Whitewavemark2
A few drones and a couple of missiles!
Unbelievable.

maddyone

Whitewave
You are almost correct in one thing. Everyone wants peace except Iran. Iran funds Hezbollah, Hamas, and the Houthis. Iran does not want peace. You and I want peace. Gransnetters without exception want peace, whichever side of the fence they sit on, but Iran does not want peace.

Incidentally Israel is not only supported by Britain and the USA, but also by Jordan and France. If this situation escalates (God help us all if it does) many other countries will support Israel. Russia and China will likely support Iran.

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Katie59

Iran does not want peace

Islam does not want peace, that’s the reality, the whole of Islamic teaching is that it is the ONLY true religion, everyone else are infidels. It seeks to expand its influence everywhere very often by violence, kidnapping and murder, and all true Muslims should be prepared to die for their faith.

Christianity, accepts that other religions should be respected and accepted, until Islam accepts that other religions should be respected there will always be conflict, currently there needs to be a quantum leap in Islamic teaching.

Where did you get this nonsense? Muslims have always accepted other religions. They are not regarded as equal to Muslims but they are certainly accepted. The other religions living in Muslim countries even had a name.
Jews lived happily in Europe when Spain was a muslim country. Their persecution began when Christianity became the main religion.
Here's the real story
www.reonline.org.uk/knowledge/islam/other-religions-beliefs/

Glorianny

The Scots and the Welsh have a degree of independence and are able to move about the world freely.
But when we did try to enforce restrictions on them there were many incidents of rebellion and terrorism. Not too long ago Plaid Cymru (or other welsh nationalists) were burning down holiday homes.

Plaid Cymru is a recognised political party , ‘when we did try
to force restrictions on them’

Like flooding homes, farms, burial grounds and telling villagers if they want the bodies of loved ones removed they
would have to pay costs and arrange it, for Liverpool to have
more water ?

Anniebach

Glorianny

The Scots and the Welsh have a degree of independence and are able to move about the world freely.
But when we did try to enforce restrictions on them there were many incidents of rebellion and terrorism. Not too long ago Plaid Cymru (or other welsh nationalists) were burning down holiday homes.

Plaid Cymru is a recognised political party , ‘when we did try
to force restrictions on them’

Like flooding homes, farms, burial grounds and telling villagers if they want the bodies of loved ones removed they
would have to pay costs and arrange it, for Liverpool to have
more water ?

Palestinians had autonomy and elected Hamas to govern them who murdered the moderate opposition, is it surprising that Israel doesn’t trust them

“Where did you get this nonsense? Muslims have always accepted other religions.”

We can all quote biased links, other religions in Muslim countries are treated as second class citizens or persecuted. Many moderate governments have to maintain large security forces to control Muslim fundamentalists from intimidating the population. Egypt is a good example the army had to take over when the Muslim Brotherhood started to persecute Christian’s and the elected government would not step in, the Army still rules Egypt.

Israel does accept Islam it terrorism they don’t like.

There are many countries in the world that are Muslim that certainly do not accept other religions. Iran is one such country, it’s illegal to be anything other than Muslim in Iran, Afghanistan, the Maldives, Qatar, the United Arab Emirates and others. It is illegal to convert to any other religion in these countries and in a number of other countries.
Christians are persecuted and murdered in Pakistan, North Korea, Somalia, Eritrea, Libya, and Yemen and others. Islam is not an all encompassing, loving religion.

Without wishing to dwell on past threads it was pointed several times months ago where the majority, if not all, of Glorianny’s information is sourced.

Anti western pro Middle Eastern sites. Hamas aren’t terrorists, they’re a legitimate government and no doubt Iran are misunderstood teddy bears with a gold standard human rights record.

It would be laughable if it wasn’t so serious.

As for WW and her few drones and missiles? Utter nonsense. If it wasn’t for the Iron Dome and help from other countries those ‘few’ drones and missiles would have caused the death of thousands.

Where did you get this nonsense? Muslims have always accepted other religions. They are not regarded as equal to Muslims but they are certainly accepted

Well, that's a rather daft statement 😁

Islam is one of the new kids on the block, a relatively new religion compared to so many others of the main religions of the world.

tickingbird

Then you have not been paying attention.

Iran gave Israel and the USA full details of their intention up to 72 hours before the actual event. The event was simply to send Israel a message that their iron dome defence system can and will be breached if hostilities are increased by Israel. Israel, the USA and supporters were fully prepared prior to the Iranian action.

They then gave a clear example of the ease this can be carried out by sending in largely very cheap off the shelf drones that as I said cost Iran very little together with old missiles. The exercise was unfortunately proved successful as despite the iron dome, USA , U.K. and others defending Israel, some missiles, albeit very few got through the defences. Now, Iran only has to repeat that over and over, at very little cost indeed - the cost to Israel would be absolutely prohibitive, and the weapons they use for this defence are not infinite and Israel would arguably soon find itself unable to rely on the iron dome system, so you can see how the Israeli people be as much at danger of being killed or injured as Iranians.

This is the first time since Iran in its present form 1979 thst the two adversaries have actually targeted sovereign territory. I hope it is not repeated.