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Another Tired Kicking For The Sick And Disabled By Rishi

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mae13 Sat 20-Apr-24 01:32:43

Well done our un-elected PM: going after the low-hanging fruit yet again, flagging up the worn-out rhetoric about the sick, disabled and mentally unstable not REALLY being sick, disabled or mentally unstable because he knows for certain that they are the traditional bunch of workshy scroungers. Being a billionaire gives him the authority to get on his high-horse and point an accusing finger.

He really is too desperate to get a vote by any means......sod the fact that his judgemental scare tactics generate terrifying levels of stress among the vulnerable who are dependent on measly benefits and have unbelievable circumstances to deal with already.

What an appalling example of a human being he is.

Barbadosbelle Mon 22-Apr-24 15:37:18

Oh. Freya.......

You really MUST vote. So much happened to enable you to have that privilege. If you don't vote then you would have absolutely NO right to criticise or comment on any future Government actions, even in private conversations.

I don't know at the moment how I'll vote. It's a real quandary.
Certainly NOT the Union financed Labour Party.
And any disgust I now have for the so-called Conservative Party couldn't be measured.
Lib-Debs - who are they?
The Greens? Madness.

I like a few in the Reform Party. They seem to have, or have had, 'real' jobs. I particularly like Dr David Bull. I might consider them but at present my area doesn't have a representative.

What to do? Like another suggestion I might well go to to voting station and write NONE OF THE ABOVE on the form, if only to make it clear that I was willing and able to vote but the choices let me down.

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Torricella4 Mon 22-Apr-24 15:29:01

My son has an extremely rare and, needless to say, complex mental illness. I have had to fight the powers that be every few years to prove that he is unfit for work and produced all the relevant reports from the various consultants he's seen over 20+ years. The last face to face 'interview' he had was with an unqualified person who when asked if she understood the diagnosis replied 'I know everything about mental illness' to which my son, quite reasonably said, 'That's interesting because my consultant psychologist says no one really comprehends these conditions'. Dear reader at this stage the woman had hysterics, shouted at me and stormed our demanding a security guard remove us from the building. My son left and had a full blown breakdown in the car park with a friend looking after him. I refused to leave demanding to see the manager of the center. After a year long inquiry my son received an apology and a pathetic excuse about the monster who put his therapy back years (she was having a bad day) and he was offered £50 by way of 'compensation', needless to say he refused this. So now we have an unelected prime minister threatening people such as my son whilst he accepts millions from a racist who is given NHS business to further line various pockets but hey folks at least he's not claiming PIP! What has this country sunk to, bring on the election, oh for PR..Thanks for letting me rant.

lalta Mon 22-Apr-24 15:28:31

i agree with everything said on here, but it makes my blood boil when i see people faking sick notes and i know loads of people working and claiming everything they can get pretending to be seperated so they can get seperate housing and live there and rent there original house out etc i own a business and pay taxes and think thats my money going to you doctors just give out sick notes without even checking they just do phone appointment and send fit note by text i does need to be sorted out as not fair on the genuine people who really need the help

TiggyW Mon 22-Apr-24 15:24:48

I’m certainly not going to vote for a multi-millionaire who attended public school - what does he know about working class families, state schools, being female, being from the North, waiting for NHS appointments and being unemployed?! I’ve experienced all of these - I admire Angela Rayner for her achievements against the odds, although I’m not sure I’d vote Labour either. 🤔 I think it’ll have to be Reform UK this time - I’ve a feeling they’ll get plenty of support.
I believe all women should use their vote - our ancestors fought for the right.

Delene Mon 22-Apr-24 14:56:44

Well said. I am disillusioned by the current gvt who has been in power 14 years. Never seen the country in such a mess. What has their austerity savings done for the country since 2010, nothing. Don't blame covid either. Look at the money they have wasted on HS2, paying the French and Rwandan gvts, migrant hotels, etc. This money could have been spent on building social housing or paying the junior doctors and nurses a better wage. About time these unqualified ministers are punished for wasting tax payers money.

Suehester Mon 22-Apr-24 14:45:25

I vote, I feel strongly about it, women died to get the vote.
But I prefer to vote for someone like the Monster Raving Loony party, that way I can express my dislike of the major parties but show that I still prefer to vote

GrauntyHelen Mon 22-Apr-24 14:21:57

He was never getting my vote but I'm SO glad my disability benefits are now overseen by the Scottish government !!

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Apr-24 14:04:27

MeowWow

Not all illnesses are genuine. I know of two people who are work shy. The first has “anxiety” and gets booked off during the summer months (every year) so they can get a nice tan and sit around enjoying the good weather whilst knocking back the wine. When they are off “sick” they still go out drinking with friends or go away for weekends. The other just can’t be bothered to work anymore so after being booked off sick they have exaggerated their condition and they now get PIP whilst refurbishing cars, vans and whatever else they fancy doing. It’s time something was done about the liars. I genuinely feel sorry for those who really are sick yet still go into work.

Why don’t you report them anonymously - then something might be done about them.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Apr-24 14:03:15

Doodledog

Germanshepherdsmum

The reason carer’s allowance stops when you get your state pension is because it is meant to be compensation for being unable to work.

How many people are compensated by £81 a week? It's an insult to suggest that most carers were earning that before giving up work to care for a loved one.

Don’t shoot the messenger! I don’t make the rules. Other benefits can be paid on top of carers allowance and of course some carers do work.

MeowWow Mon 22-Apr-24 13:56:12

Not all illnesses are genuine. I know of two people who are work shy. The first has “anxiety” and gets booked off during the summer months (every year) so they can get a nice tan and sit around enjoying the good weather whilst knocking back the wine. When they are off “sick” they still go out drinking with friends or go away for weekends. The other just can’t be bothered to work anymore so after being booked off sick they have exaggerated their condition and they now get PIP whilst refurbishing cars, vans and whatever else they fancy doing. It’s time something was done about the liars. I genuinely feel sorry for those who really are sick yet still go into work.

Doodledog Mon 22-Apr-24 13:54:13

Germanshepherdsmum

The reason carer’s allowance stops when you get your state pension is because it is meant to be compensation for being unable to work.

How many people are compensated by £81 a week? It's an insult to suggest that most carers were earning that before giving up work to care for a loved one.

Doodledog Mon 22-Apr-24 13:52:22

Cossy

doodledog

I think this idea of young people not wanting to work is a bit of a fallacy.

Having had our last three children quite late we have, between us, 5 children aged from 40 to 21. All are working full time and the majority of their friends are working full time too.

Yes, we do have third generation benefit families now, but they really are very much in the minority.

I think the type of jobs and their locations could prove a bit more of an issue.

Oh, I agree. Mine are late 20s/30, and they and their friends all work. I was referring to the idea that Gen Z don't want to work, and suggesting possible remedies. I don't believe in generalising about whole generations. I do think that the MH of that generation is troubled, but that is another thread, really. Most of my children's friends have anxiety-related problems. Whether that is because they have the vocabulary to discuss them more than we did, because they live in more anxiety-inducing times or what I don't know.

My post wasn't really about 3rd generations of the same family, but about different generations across the piece.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Apr-24 13:32:09

The reason carer’s allowance stops when you get your state pension is because it is meant to be compensation for being unable to work.

Babamaman Mon 22-Apr-24 13:28:20

They already consider the state pension a benefit!
Anyone getting carers allowance (all of £81 per week) once they reach state pension age get their carers allowance stopped!
It has been since October 2023 my pension credit has been being processed! I call DWP every 10days and every time get a different response! Horrible, useless not fit for purpose system

SheWho Mon 22-Apr-24 13:27:10

When I was a full-time teacher, I suffered from debilitating migraines quite regularly. It is a very stressful job but you don't take time off if you can help it. Most teachers are dedicated to the profession, and frequently struggle on until the weekend, which is also a common time for migraines to strike - after the stress has ended. Then there's fibromyalgia. It doesn't help that you have to spend so much time standing, bending over desks, or on your knees in front of little children. The job itself can make one ill, not to mention catching sniffles from the children.

Babamaman Mon 22-Apr-24 13:23:33

Totally agree with you. He and his cronies are such low lifes !
MPs should be called out for their gravy train system ! The do nothing and take everything

Gossamerbeynon1945 Mon 22-Apr-24 13:19:04

Probably, I will vote Conservative.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 22-Apr-24 13:03:47

Is expecting those who can do so to work for a living nasty?

red1 Mon 22-Apr-24 12:59:32

osbourne cameron clegg attacked the weak 2010 onwards, resulting in suicides, people left starving etc the tories hesitated for a while now they are back at it, Are the tories nasty?

Cossy Mon 22-Apr-24 12:48:48

maddyone

I think we need proportional representation. It would bring much needed moderation to government and every possible stance from far left to far right could be represented if that’s what the electorate wanted. In actuality I think it would lead to a proper balance between the main political parties and result in better governance.

Yes, yes and yes!!

Cossy Mon 22-Apr-24 12:47:25

doodledog

I think this idea of young people not wanting to work is a bit of a fallacy.

Having had our last three children quite late we have, between us, 5 children aged from 40 to 21. All are working full time and the majority of their friends are working full time too.

Yes, we do have third generation benefit families now, but they really are very much in the minority.

I think the type of jobs and their locations could prove a bit more of an issue.

Grantanow Mon 22-Apr-24 12:43:06

A classic Tory ploy. Attacking the sick and disabled plays well with right wing Tory grassroots who think anyone receiving a benefit is a scrounger. They are going to lose the GE and leave a terrible mess for Labour to remedy. If they had invested in the NHS many of those off sick and awaiting treatment would be back at work by now.

Cossy Mon 22-Apr-24 12:41:24

Louella12

Social media has ruined politics .

The Social Dilemma is a brilliant documentary which is worth watching

I’m sorry to disagree, but what has ruined politics across the years is not the media but the appalling behaviour of some MPs across all parties, incompetent PMs, expenses, sex and bullying scandals and the awful nursery school behaviour in the House of commons, (in my opinion).

DS64till Mon 22-Apr-24 12:37:15

Couldn’t agree more. I just hope people realise they need to vote to oust him .

Doodledog Mon 22-Apr-24 12:12:43

I don't know what good having a 'none of the above' voting option would do. Of course 'they know' that people are disenfranchised, but 'they' don't care. The only thing that stops me fully believing in compulsory voting is that a record would have to be kept and a secret ballot might become more difficult to achieve, particularly as postal votes would have to be included. If a way could be found around that I would support it 100%. Opting out of voting is yet another way for people to refuse to contribute to society and live on the backs of others.

Regarding 'benefit culture', I think it is far more complicated than how it's being presented. IMO, anyone who is unable to work should be better provided for than they are now, and anyone who is able to work should be expected to do so for an agreed number of years over their lives. No exceptions. We all benefit from living in a society with all sorts of things provided for us, and IMO it is wrong for only some people to work to provide those things.

I think that people with long-term illness such as cancer or broken limbs should be looked after and paid when they are off sick. That is why we pay NI. Those with short-term illness should also be paid in full, so they can afford to stay at home, both so they don't infect others and so they can get better.

I also think that people whose conditions prevent them from regularly turning up to work should find different employment, however. I worked with someone who went off sick every time something stressful was going to happen. Most of those things were fairly routine in our line of work - it was her MH that made her see them as stressful. This meant that her workload fell to the rest of us, who were already doing a stressful job, and we were expected to do even more. To me, someone who is incapable of doing a job for health reasons should get a less stressful one, even if it is less well paid. We are not entitled to a particular salary - stressful jobs often pay more because they are stressful, and it is simply not on to 'opt out' of the stress and pass it to others whilst still being paid.

I don't blame older people for being sick. Someone who has worked for decades and finds that they are expected to work for an extra six years is likely to be exhausted - physically if they had a manual job, and mentally if not. Why not set up an initiative to find less demanding work for people between, say, 55 and retirement age if they want it? Training others, working from home, whatever - there are all sorts of possibilities that would allow people to build up their pensions without running themselves into the ground. Or a transitional pension, allowing people to retire earlier and work part-time but get a pension top-up that could be paid for when they were working via a scheme that meant employers had to contribute - it could be restricted to people in certain jobs that are more likely to mean that they will struggle to work full-time in later life.

I don't know the answer to young people not wanting work. Maybe society is changing so they don't need to. Maybe the fact that housing is so expensive means that they don't have an incentive, particularly if they expect to inherit from parents who have made a lot of money from housing. Maybe they are told from birth that they are special and needn't do anything they don't want to do, and that hasn't equipped them for a world where they are expected to do what an employer wants. Maybe other things are impacting their mental health that we need to deal with. Maybe we need to restructure the world of work to better suit the way they do it. I don't know, but it is important that we get on top of the situation before it's too late, and help them.