The majority of Israeli Jews do not want to occupy Gaza.

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Callistemon21

Baggs

I saw this in Twtr recently:

I did try to describe the old geography of that area a while ago on another thread. Here's another map showing the tribes of Israel, plus Philistia roughly where Gaza is now.

The map shows quite clearly that Gaza wasn't in the area occupied by the tribes of Israel.

That was Philistia, Land of the Philistines but it was the Greeks who named the whole of the area Palestine, I think.

The Phoenicians were in the North-west.

keepingquiet

Jews have always lived in the region we now refer to as Israel/Palestine.
Up until the second world war it was part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire and then passed into the control of the British.
Previous to this the three Abrahamic faiths had lived relatively peacefully side by side for centuries with Jews being very much a minority, as were Christians.
During the 19th century a group calling themselves Zionists began to see Israel as the natural homeland of the Jewish people and began to buy up plots of land and settle there.
After the British arrived (and wanted out very quickly) there were plans to hand over these lands to the Jewish settlers and promised to protect the interests of the Arabs, now called Palestinian people.
In the end the British handed the lands over to the Jewish settlers and reneged on their promise to the Palestinians.
We have been living with the results of this folly ever since.
This is a potted and simplified version but I wanted to make things a little clearer.
This war isn't about religion. It is about land.

Exactly!

Callistemon21

Baggs

I saw this in Twtr recently:

I did try to describe the old geography of that area a while ago on another thread. Here's another map showing the tribes of Israel, plus Philistia roughly where Gaza is now.

The map shows quite clearly that Gaza wasn't in the area occupied by the tribes of Israel.

There is only one race - the human race.

Genetically, Jews are close to most people from the Middle East. There are also Christians with "Jewish" DNA - don't forget that Jesus was a Jew, as were many of the early Christian converts.

👏👏👏👏 Maddy

Philistia. That’s interesting. That must be the area where the Philistines came from, as mentioned in the Bible.

I said in my previous post that Jews are not really a race, but rather more an ethnicity. When I spoke with my Jewish friend about this, even she struggled with the exact definition. Muslims and Christians clearly aren’t a race, we all know that, but Jewish people are slightly different. My Jewish friend eventually settled on an ethnicity. To be Jewish is bound up with religion but it’s not just about religion. It’s more than that. Many Jews are not religious at all. They may celebrate some of the mayor Jewish holidays, just as many people celebrate Christmas but have absolutely no Christian beliefs, and how many people buy Easter eggs but don’t even realise the significance of Easter to Christians? Easter is the most important event in the Christian calendar, but many people probably believe Christmas is the most important, simply because it’s a bigger festival.
To be Jewish must be an ethnicity I think because non religious Jews who don’t live in Israel still define themselves as Jewish.
In any case, Christians and Muslims also live in Israel as full Israeli citizens alongside Jewish people. Whilst most Israel citizens are Jewish, not all are.
For whatever reason, Jewish people appear to be the group subjected to much racism and persecution wherever they live or have lived.
Not by me.

Baggs

I saw this in Twtr recently:

I did try to describe the old geography of that area a while ago on another thread. Here's another map showing the tribes of Israel, plus Philistia roughly where Gaza is now.

I saw this in Twtr recently:

Now it’s’what is a Jew ‘ , Maddy explained enough surely to answer that question

Jews have always lived in the region we now refer to as Israel/Palestine.
Up until the second world war it was part of the Turkish Ottoman Empire and then passed into the control of the British.
Previous to this the three Abrahamic faiths had lived relatively peacefully side by side for centuries with Jews being very much a minority, as were Christians.
During the 19th century a group calling themselves Zionists began to see Israel as the natural homeland of the Jewish people and began to buy up plots of land and settle there.
After the British arrived (and wanted out very quickly) there were plans to hand over these lands to the Jewish settlers and promised to protect the interests of the Arabs, now called Palestinian people.
In the end the British handed the lands over to the Jewish settlers and reneged on their promise to the Palestinians.
We have been living with the results of this folly ever since.
This is a potted and simplified version but I wanted to make things a little clearer.
This war isn't about religion. It is about land.

The wiki article doesn't reference race: rather, culture, ethnicity, history, identity, both shared and differing beliefs, it says historically

"The Jewish diaspora is a wide dispersion of Jewish communities across the world that have maintained their sense of Jewish history, identity and culture.[36]
In the following millennia, Jewish diaspora communities coalesced into three major ethnic subdivisions according to where their ancestors settled: the Ashkenazim (initially in Western Europe), the Sephardim (initially in the Iberian Peninsula), and the Mizrahim (Middle East and North Africa).[37][38] While these three major divisions account for most of the world's Jews, there are other smaller Jewish groups that do not fit in any of those"

Farzanah

If you are interested in finding out whether Jewish people consider they are a race, check out that question on myjewishlearning.com website.
They don’t incidentally. It’s an interesting site and I’ve learnt much there.

Muslims aren’t a race either, or Christian’s

Netanyahu knows full well he is breaking many of the Ten Commandments and he has no intention of obeying them. Therefore he does not deserve to be called "a Jew".

I don't believe Caleo understands either, maddyone.
Thank you for the brief explanation and to Wyllow for the link.

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If you are interested in finding out whether Jewish people consider they are a race, check out that question on myjewishlearning.com website.
They don’t incidentally. It’s an interesting site and I’ve learnt much there.

A great summary.

This the long version
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jews#

not everyone's cuppa T to read it all but its worth noting it adds

" religious Jews regard individuals who have formally converted to Judaism as part of the community"

Thank you Maddy for facts.

Good explanation maddyone thank you.

Caleo I’m not sure you understand completely. The Jewish religion is as it says, a religion. However Jewish people are not defined by their religion, or indeed lack of religion, because Jewishness is a race, or if you like, perhaps a better description, an ethnicity. So people are Jewish who have no beliefs at all and do not follow the faith at all and are completely secular. And others are Jewish and follow the main festivals and celebrations and may or may not celebrate Shabbat. Other people are are religious and follow everything, and yet there are others who are completely orthodox. Others are Hasidic and wear different clothing and are very strict.
Netanyahu is a Jew. Whether or not he is secular or religious I don’t know.

Caleo he can be a Jew and called a Jew , you believe no one will be forgiven ,Christ knew better

Katie wrote:
"“It's definitive of a Jew not to steal or covet, Deuteronomy 32.36
Leviticus 19.18.”

Anyone who believes that really has got a problem, if you believe it of Christian’s it’s no better. We break the 10 commandments constantly, some of us break them all."

Right you are Katie, and other similar objections to my post.
Nobody is perfect. Those who intend to be Jews, Christians, or Muslims are as good as it gets and those deserve to be called Jews, Christians, or Muslims.

Netanyahu knows full well he is breaking many of the Ten Commandments and he has no intention of obeying them. Therefore he does not deserve to be called "a Jew".

“It's definitive of a Jew not to steal or covet, Deuteronomy 32.36
Leviticus 19.18.”

Anyone who believes that really has got a problem, if you believe it of Christian’s it’s no better. We break the 10 commandments constantly, some of us break them all.

Of course Netanyahu is a Jew, but as Oreo says, possibly secular.
And as she says, Christians and Muslims are not supposed to steal or covet. Doesn’t mean some don’t though.