The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

Wyllow3

67% of asylum claims are accepted on initial application.

I'm sorry you se it as high horse. I was genuinely shocked by the term "illegals" for human beings.

There are lots of issues around this - countries all over Europe face them - clearly matters need addressing -

but hate words aren't necessary.

I too find the expression “illegals” abhorrent! They are asylum seekers entering the country illegally.

I’m pretty sure all of us wish they wouldn’t come here, it’s an awful, hazardous journey and too many have drowned. This govt has failed in all areas of immigration. They’ve failed to apprehend the traffickers and they’ve made it more difficult for genuine asylum seekers to legally enter our country and they’ve failed to process them quickly.

Even if the whole Rwanda fiasco ever gets off the ground, it’s incredibly expensive and can only accommodate a small percentage of illegally entering asylum seekers.

But the whole point is, the vast majority of those who pitch up here are not in genuine need, are they?

Aren't they?

How do you know? Have ever worked with any of them?

maddyone

Of course the majority of them aren’t running away from war or persecution. Some are but most aren’t. Many have been interviewed whilst still in France and all they want to do is get to England. I wonder why?

Oh really?

The top two nationalities of asylum seekers in the UK in 2023 was Afghan and Iranian. Both countries have autocratic governments and persecution isn't uncommon.

How do you personally know that the majority of asylum seekers aren't running away from war or persecution?

Nicenanny3

I'd call it karma 😊 the EU made such a fuss about not having a hard border. Anyway more boats have come today.

Try having Irish relatives in the Republic like my proud Irish passport holding husband does!

The UK royally screwed the Irish over!!

The Government has accused the EU of double standards after Ireland vowed to send asylum seekers to the UK despite France refusing to take Channel migrants back.

The row erupted after senior Irish ministers said they would draft emergency laws to send back refugees who had arrived from the UK to avoid being deported to Rwanda.(The Telegraph today)

Perhaps the ones who have crossed over to Ireland have had notice that they will be removed to Rwanda or their home country (failed asylum seekers)

Urmstongran

Low grade dog whistle politics, classic Irish government. How do they know how many migrants came in to Ireland - there is no border? The Irish government is in a panic after years of uncontrolled migration presided over by Martin himself and Varadkar and now the Irish are rebelling against it, the usual tactic is blame Britain. So even if they are deported to NI - the border is open, they will just walk back over it.

I tend to agree with this.

I really don't believe anyone is encouraging migrants to travel over the Irish sea. They are looked after here. They are given temporary accommodation, dentistry and other nhs care and £49.18 per family member each week for the basics. Any children are obviously allocated school places. They do not get treated so well in France. France have encouraged the small boats.

Maybe a few single men have made it over to Ireland. They are not flooding over the boarder.

Any person arriving in the UK without a visa is illegal in UK law and likely to be deported.

If they then claim asylum that is to be determined by a court but they have still arrived illegally and are subject to detention or some kind if supervision, they are not free. They are illegal until a court decides otherwise.

International law is a bigger ass than UK law because it can’t be enforced, UK law can and is being enforced

Of course we have freedom of movement between U.K. and the Irish Republic, so anyone there can come here anyway and vice versa.

I wonder what the people complaining about "illegals" would have thought of DH's grandfather, who walked from Italy to Wales along with many others at the end of the 19th century. All single young men looking for work. He then walked back to London and disappeared into Little Italy. Would the fact that he looked like us have outweighed the fact that he couldn't speak English?

This is becoming a very unpleasant thread.

Asylum seekers are not illegal. If they are processed fairly and deemed to not need asylum then we should deport them.

The fault is us not identifying which people genuinely need help and which do not - leaving all people in a sort of limbo for ages before their cases are decided.

Please don't dehumanise.

For info, the current figures re cases we do look at as potentially needing asylum are such that more than half are proven to be genuine - 63% of those cases we have processed since 2021 were given grants of protection.

You are wrong JenniferEccles when you say the vast majority of those who pitch up here are not in genuine need - because the government thinks otherwise.

I think what was meant that they arrived illegally, which they did.

www.citizensadvice.org.uk/immigration/deportation-and-living-in-the-uk-illegally/your-options-if-youre-in-the-uk-illegally/

67% of asylum claims are accepted on initial application.

I'm sorry you se it as high horse. I was genuinely shocked by the term "illegals" for human beings.

There are lots of issues around this - countries all over Europe face them - clearly matters need addressing -

but hate words aren't necessary.

Of course the majority of them aren’t running away from war or persecution. Some are but most aren’t. Many have been interviewed whilst still in France and all they want to do is get to England. I wonder why?

But the whole point is, the vast majority of those who pitch up here are not in genuine need, are they?
We can all see who they are from the tv news, all young males often smirking at the cameras as their water taxis bring them ashore, ready to be whisked to a hotel where free board and lodgings await.
Plus spending money of course.

All courtesy of the poor beleaguered tax payer.

Get off your high horse and perhaps think what the solution might be. Clearly we cannot go on importing hundreds of people every day and somehow cater for them. You can call them whatever you want, it doesn’t make any difference, we are allowing hundreds of people to enter the country without permission!

Nevertheless but asylum seekers are not per se criminals and using this language is designed to foster hate and dehumanising individuals and has been use by politicians deliberately to denigrate those who seek genuine help.

Some of these illegal economic migrants most definitely are criminals. There have been many reported cases of those with criminal records turning up here safe in the knowledge they they are highly unlikely to be sent back home.

Meanwhile every single day hundreds more arrive.

I wonder what the daily rate now is for accommodating them all?
It was costing us eight million pounds per day a few months ago, and since then of course thousands more of them have availed themselves of our very generous hospitality, so heaven knows what it’s costing us now.

I don’t know if the Rwanda plan is the best current solution but at least the government is trying to do something.

I for one will cheer when the first plane load takes off, because this intolerable situation can’t be allowed to continue.

But I don't like language that can foster hate and actually lies.

I do believe economic migrants should be returned to country of origin.

Some are economic migrants. Not all are asylum seekers Wyllow3. They ought not to be crossing the Channel in rubber boats.

No human beings are "the illegals".
How can you be an illegal human being?

borrowed from the US, where there is a great deal of controversy over the term, now used to nastily smear because it sounds criminal, but asylum seekers are not criminals.

Imagine the rumpus if there was behaviour towards migrants here rather than in Ireland😲
The Irish seem more confrontational so the Irish government will have to take notice.

I thought in the EU you could go where you wanted and claim asylum, strange now they supposedly want to deport the illegals back to NI, if that was the case then we could deport ours back to France, if only.

Low grade dog whistle politics, classic Irish government. How do they know how many migrants came in to Ireland - there is no border? The Irish government is in a panic after years of uncontrolled migration presided over by Martin himself and Varadkar and now the Irish are rebelling against it, the usual tactic is blame Britain. So even if they are deported to NI - the border is open, they will just walk back over it.