The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

Or, in the absence of documentary evidence, if they say they are from those countries.

MaizieD

Katie59

The contentious issue is illegal migration where the majority are economic migrants, many do get asylum but only because their country of origin is not regarded as “safe”.
That has nothing to do with political asylum, a great many countries are not safe if you’re the wrong tribe or religion.

It doesn't help when you post falsehoods, Katie59. The majority of the 'illegal' immigrants, if you're referring to the asylum seekers. are NOT economic migrants. Some 2 thirds are granted asylum from their initial application and more are granted it on appeal. Economic migrants appear to be very much in the minority.

I know and acknowledge the proportion granted asylum but it’s a “fait accompli”, if they are from Afghanistan, Sudan or many other places they are automatically accepted. All they have to do is cross the channel.

GrannyGravy13

zakouma66

For what its worth I think concern and racism can coexist.

I am massively concerned about thousands of people " disappearing". I am concerned that the HO isn't fit for purpose.

Some of the posts on here and the continued use of words like " illegals" are toe curling. When it appears there has been a break through and people seeking asylum may be able to work fairly quickly, the instant response is to worry about dangers and problems. I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work.

The Ukrainian refugees were mainly women and children as the male population between certain ages were not allowed to leave Ukraine.

The majority of Ukrainian refugees had no desire to resettle in U.K. permanently, they desperately wanted to return to their homeland, and many already have.

I am not aware of any Ukrainian refugees paying gangs of traffickers €€’s to cross the channel in small unsafe dinghies whilst destroying their papers…

I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work

Plus Ukrainian people arriving under the Family Scheme have applied for and been given temporary visas only, have not disappeared without trace.

Katie59

The contentious issue is illegal migration where the majority are economic migrants, many do get asylum but only because their country of origin is not regarded as “safe”.
That has nothing to do with political asylum, a great many countries are not safe if you’re the wrong tribe or religion.

It doesn't help when you post falsehoods, Katie59. The majority of the 'illegal' immigrants, if you're referring to the asylum seekers. are NOT economic migrants. Some 2 thirds are granted asylum from their initial application and more are granted it on appeal. Economic migrants appear to be very much in the minority.

And people complain that it takes the HO too long to process these people. How do you begin to do that when the person has no documentary evidence of who they are, how old they are, where they have come from? I am far from comfortable with just taking their word for such important information.

I have just done a quick internet search and apparently 98% of those arriving in boats and other illegal means haven’t got a passport or any other form ID.

They are actively encouraged by the traffickers to destroy all of their papers

I am wondering as a fair few have smartphones if they have kept digital copies…

zakouma66

For what its worth I think concern and racism can coexist.

I am massively concerned about thousands of people " disappearing". I am concerned that the HO isn't fit for purpose.

Some of the posts on here and the continued use of words like " illegals" are toe curling. When it appears there has been a break through and people seeking asylum may be able to work fairly quickly, the instant response is to worry about dangers and problems. I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work.

Just stop and think about what you said!

The Ukrainians had paperwork and passports in the main. No problem processing them and in them finding work.

Oh and this compassionless woman is still helping out a young Ukrainian Mum having provided her with a double bed, towels, clothes airer etc etc. her English is getting much better but she still contacts me for advice.

Zakouma66 that is one thing we can agree on it’s definitely a mess.

I wonder what the rate of destroying papers is? And how many other people are desperately clinging on to them. I suppose we will never know.

Its a mess alright.

zakouma66

For what its worth I think concern and racism can coexist.

I am massively concerned about thousands of people " disappearing". I am concerned that the HO isn't fit for purpose.

Some of the posts on here and the continued use of words like " illegals" are toe curling. When it appears there has been a break through and people seeking asylum may be able to work fairly quickly, the instant response is to worry about dangers and problems. I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work.

The Ukrainian refugees were mainly women and children as the male population between certain ages were not allowed to leave Ukraine.

The majority of Ukrainian refugees had no desire to resettle in U.K. permanently, they desperately wanted to return to their homeland, and many already have.

I am not aware of any Ukrainian refugees paying gangs of traffickers €€’s to cross the channel in small unsafe dinghies whilst destroying their papers…

For what its worth I think concern and racism can coexist.

I am massively concerned about thousands of people " disappearing". I am concerned that the HO isn't fit for purpose.

Some of the posts on here and the continued use of words like " illegals" are toe curling. When it appears there has been a break through and people seeking asylum may be able to work fairly quickly, the instant response is to worry about dangers and problems. I don't recall such worries when the Ukrainian families arrived and were speedily processed and at work.

To be concerned who is entering the U.K. and why is not racism Zakouma66

I want the processing of the migrants/asylum seekers to be quicker, and if they are refused asylum they should be deported immediately.

Being baptised as a Christian (as recommended by various agencies )makes a mockery of their faith, my faith (I was raised a Christian) along with our immigration policy…

The contentious issue is illegal migration where the majority are economic migrants, many do get asylum but only because their country of origin is not regarded as “safe”.
That has nothing to do with political asylum, a great many countries are not safe if you’re the wrong tribe or religion.

The country is on its knees and this racism isn't helping.

Discussing mass immigration isn’t racism; you need to learn the difference. The days of being able to shut down reasonable debate on the subject with accusations of racism are hopefully over. It’s about numbers not race.

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Elegran

^68% of all people seeking asylum wait longer than six months for a decision^

Banned from working, vulnerable families struggle to survive on just £5.84 a day

^Over half of people are granted refugee status on appeal^

You forget to say they are housed, free schooling, NHS dental, more than the locals get, no rent or other bills are paid by them. Yes asylum seekers get that, despite another commentator saying they don't.
£49.18, per week, so family of four will get nearly £200 per week.

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LizzieDrip

^I wonder what the people complaining about "illegals" would have thought of DH's grandfather, who walked from Italy to Wales along with many others at the end of the 19th century. All single young men looking for work. He then walked back to London and disappeared into Little Italy. Would the fact that he looked like us have outweighed the fact that he couldn't speak English?^

Good post Deedaa. Your last sentence is particularly pertinent. I don’t remember lots of threads on GN criticising Ukrainians fleeing the war when they were (quite rightly) given refuge in the UK. But then they look like ‘us’ don’t they.

No immigration controls until 1905.
So wouldn't have mattered.

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LizzieDrip

^I wonder what the people complaining about "illegals" would have thought of DH's grandfather, who walked from Italy to Wales along with many others at the end of the 19th century. All single young men looking for work. He then walked back to London and disappeared into Little Italy. Would the fact that he looked like us have outweighed the fact that he couldn't speak English?^

Good post Deedaa. Your last sentence is particularly pertinent. I don’t remember lots of threads on GN criticising Ukrainians fleeing the war when they were (quite rightly) given refuge in the UK. But then they look like ‘us’ don’t they.

They were actually inthe middle of a war, and very much in Europe, and came to the nearest countries. Wonder why some of these from the middle east, or Africa don't do the same.

Ireland are sending immigration enforcement officers to the border from Northern Ireland:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13373525/Rishi-Sunak-warns-Ireland-against-sending-police-patrol-border-illegal-migrants.html

I pondered on that last night Calli 🤔🤔

Back to the topic.

I remember that touching picture of Varadkar admiring a 'thank you card from Ireland' with his dear friend Jean-Claude Junker. Plucky little Ireland, the narrative went, had stood up to the bullies in Westminster and got its vitally important open border. Funny how things change