The Republic of Ireland and their tensions with migrants.

Elegran

I sometimes imagine one of most venomous anti-asylum-seekers shipwrecked in a foreign land, having lost all their money and possessions, and family members too, and staggering ashore to get help, but being driven back by the well-fed inhabitants into the waves.

You sound very bitter and naive the ones coming over on the small boats have paid thousands of Euros to people smuggling gangs to get here obviously you must think this is ok. I've never seen any condemnation of the people smuggling gangs on here only having pops and making nasty comments at concerned gransnetters who don't agree with you, perhaps you should take a long hard look in the mirror.

But, Cossy, we ARE the mugs, the laughing stock, the Clown Fools of Europe. And if someone has deliberately "lost" all identity documentation then they are illegal - possibly/probably criminal too.

Please stop referring to humans as “illegals”! Britain is not a “mug”, many other countries did nitially take far more asylum seekers and if you feel you need to blame someone then blame the evil greedy traffickers and our inept government

Cossy 👏👏👏

I think the communities where these - mainly - young men are being dumped (in large numbers) are justified in their anxiety and apprehension because they very likely come from countries where women have very low status and few/no rights. These guys certainly aren't about to have some epiphany and change their mindset, suddenly deciding to treat women with respect. Quite the reverse, I fear.

zakouma66

I can't begin to imagine what joy you get from this Nicenanny3
What in your psyche or past leads you to this moment where you celebrate this with such obvious delight.

Do you know the history with NI and Ireland an EU member state and all the ho ha about having no borders and free movement, I suggest you look it up. Yes I'm happy that they are going to Ireland.

mae13

I believe the Republic of Ireland government is rushing through legislation to change the status of the UK from "unsafe" to "quite perfectly safe after all" to facilitate pushing the influx of migrants back over the Irish Sea!

Now, excuse me, but why doesn't our government take a leaf out of Eire's book and turn around the hordes of illegals setting sail from France - a very safe country? Or is it the usual story? The Brits are mugs that the rest of Europe feels free to ride roughshod over......it has ever been thus for as long as I can remember.

Please stop referring to humans as “illegals”! Britain is not a “mug”, many other countries did nitially take far more asylum seekers and if you feel you need to blame someone then blame the evil greedy traffickers and our inept government!

It is interesting how often times of turmoil within governments and political parties are accompanied by venom toward foreigners living within our shores

That’s right Elegran. It’s a phenomenon that has occurred in many countries throughout history. Sadly those in power today don’t appear to have learned anything from mistakes made in the past.

I believe the Republic of Ireland government is rushing through legislation to change the status of the UK from "unsafe" to "quite perfectly safe after all" to facilitate pushing the influx of migrants back over the Irish Sea!

Now, excuse me, but why doesn't our government take a leaf out of Eire's book and turn around the hordes of illegals setting sail from France - a very safe country? Or is it the usual story? The Brits are mugs that the rest of Europe feels free to ride roughshod over......it has ever been thus for as long as I can remember.

I sometimes imagine one of most venomous anti-asylum-seekers shipwrecked in a foreign land, having lost all their money and possessions, and family members too, and staggering ashore to get help, but being driven back by the well-fed inhabitants into the waves.

Elegran

It is interesting how often times of turmoil within governments and political parties are accompanied by venom toward foreigners living within our shores.

Personally, I find it disgusting!

Wyllow3

67% of asylum claims are accepted on initial application.

I'm sorry you se it as high horse. I was genuinely shocked by the term "illegals" for human beings.

There are lots of issues around this - countries all over Europe face them - clearly matters need addressing -

but hate words aren't necessary.

Yes because it's easier to do that. Papers destroyed, how can you prove anything otherwise. So easier to give them asylum then to try and prove otherwise. Saying you come from Afghanistan, oh I worked for British forces, seems they all did, what proof of that.
I would like to know how deep their enquiries go. Not very I would say. Seeing as France rejects most applications, so they try their luck here, yay jackpot.
Our asylum rates three time that of France, in fact EU acceptance has dropped to 35% .
I'm extremely cynical about our Immigration services.

Wyllow3

I agree MayBee. There is a pervasive narrative on here at times here trying to blame all our ills on "foreigners" "illegals", "them, not "us", and avoiding what you allude to.

This narrative fails to mention what many migrants have contributed to, only alluding to examples of "bad migrants", and that we have run down the processing system to allow a speedier return of purely economic migrants.

Indeed. There are some who seem to feel that one human is more important than another. These people, British or otherwise, are all HUMANS and all deserve help. Anyone who has followed an asylum seeking journey will realise what an arduous journey they have already had.

Thurrock council are bankrupt! They have no housing currently.

It is interesting how often times of turmoil within governments and political parties are accompanied by venom toward foreigners living within our shores.

Oreo

Yes zakouma66 our own British citizens, many with MH problems or drug addictions or ex soldiers or teenagers and young men and women thrown out by their parents or brought up in care who can easily end up on the streets homeless.

But the difference is all British citizens have a right to mainstream benefits and to find work, asylum seekers have no such rights until processed and given leave to remain.

I’m not suggesting life is easy for either groups.

^I can't begin to imagine what joy you get from this Nicenanny3
What in your psyche or past leads you to this moment where you celebrate this with such obvious delight.^

zakouma66👏👏👏

I agree MayBee and Wyllow. There is some serious gaslighting going on in this country. It’s causing division, ‘othering’ and nastiness. It’s sad to hear how some people have fallen for it. I do wonder how this current phase in the UK will be viewed in the history books in 20, 40, 50 years time. Will historians look back and ask how could a government wilfully cause such division, and how could so many people fall for it? Our words and actions today will be judged by our children, grandchildren and great grandchildren in the future.

I can't begin to imagine what joy you get from this Nicenanny3
What in your psyche or past leads you to this moment where you celebrate this with such obvious delight.

Sitting on a makeshift bed and hiding his face behind the flap of his tent, Mr Mhammed tells how he fled from Britain to Ireland to avoid deportation to Rwanda. He was among the first migrants to be notified by letter that he would be sent to the East African country after he arrived in the UK on a small boat in 2022.

Three weeks ago, as Rishi Sunak’s new Safety of Rwanda Act was on course to become law, he took a bus from London to Liverpool, then a ferry to Belfast, before getting a second bus to Dublin. (The Telegraph today)

Karma

I agree MayBee. There is a pervasive narrative on here at times here trying to blame all our ills on "foreigners" "illegals", "them, not "us", and avoiding what you allude to.

This narrative fails to mention what many migrants have contributed to, only alluding to examples of "bad migrants", and that we have run down the processing system to allow a speedier return of purely economic migrants.

Oreo

There are many of our own homeless citizens living in tents and I would put their needs first.

Maybe it suits the governments agenda to have ‘our’ people homeless and living in tents. Because, if our country had enough money put into homes, schools, the NHS etc noone could point a finger at migrants saying ‘ they’re treated better than us’.

Urmstongran

What’s wrong with ‘our own’ zakouma66? Veterans who fought are sometimes on our streets.

And Afghan people that helped us were just left for the Taliban to deal with. Don’t we have a responsibility towards them if they manage to find their way here?

A 56-year-old woman who is due to be evicted on 1 May has been told she should be able to "function reasonably well" if she ends up on the streets.
Thurrock Council wrote to Heidi Dodson rejecting her application for priority housing following a no fault eviction notice from her landlord.
The council acknowledges Ms Dodson is eligible for help but maintained she would be able to cope if she becomes homeless and is not a "priority need".

VS

According to the latest available data, 50,546 asylum seekers were being housed in hotels in the UK at the end of June. This is around 10% more than the 45,775 living in hotels at the end of last year. 25 Oct 2023

I'm trying hard to square this with what is fair and charitable. But I can't.

Yes zakouma66 our own British citizens, many with MH problems or drug addictions or ex soldiers or teenagers and young men and women thrown out by their parents or brought up in care who can easily end up on the streets homeless.

What’s wrong with ‘our own’ zakouma66? Veterans who fought are sometimes on our streets.

Oreo

There are many of our own homeless citizens living in tents and I would put their needs first.

" our own" Nice.