Scottish political mess. Is Devolution working?

"why should the regions of England not aspire to devolved powers, if that happened the function of the Westminster government would be much more clearly defined? " Seconded, Casdon

And, Katie Devolution does NOT remove Scotland from the UK, so why demand the the Scots "either stay in the UK, or leave" Though many decisions are devolved to the Scottish parliament, Scotland does not leave the UK by making those decisions which most affect Scots people" They still join in discussions over what effects the whole of the country - BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL A PART OF THE UK

Good post, Elegran.

I suspect that not everyone is clear about the difference between total independence and the devolution of some aspects of government.
Here is a list of what is devolved and what is reserved to the full UK government at Westminster (which includes MPs from the devolved areas - which remain a part of the United Kingdom.)

Not mentioned in detail in these lists is that 68% of the taxation raised on Scottish residents ( for instance income tax) goes to Westminster and is used to pay for Scotland's share of undevolved items. 32% of the taxes paid by Scots stays in Scotland.

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keepingquiet

Camilla Tominey is no one to comment on what should happen in another country.

An opinion can be based on any topic under the sun, surely?
😁

So why did the OP mentions this particular individual and not the opinion of her next door neighbour?

keepingquiet Camilla Tominey is a journalist, journalists job is to voice their opinions on current affairs and topics of interest, it’s how they pay their bills…

Some journalists do their homework too instead of just spouting off right wing rhetoric like this one does.

I don't think this journalist has any problems paying her bills, unlike many people in this country.

As far as I'm aware she has no connection to Scotland either.

keepingquiet

Some journalists do their homework too instead of just spouting off right wing rhetoric like this one does.

I don't think this journalist has any problems paying her bills, unlike many people in this country.

As far as I'm aware she has no connection to Scotland either.

Are you implying that only people with a connection to Scotland can offer an opinion on anything relating to Scotland?

You have no idea whether or not Ms Tominey has problems paying her bills.

Elegran

^"why should the regions of England not aspire to devolved powers, if that happened the function of the Westminster government would be much more clearly defined? "^ Seconded, Casdon

And, Katie Devolution does NOT remove Scotland from the UK, so why demand the the Scots "either stay in the UK, or leave" Though many decisions are devolved to the Scottish parliament, Scotland does not leave the UK by making those decisions which most affect Scots people" They still join in discussions over what effects the whole of the country - BECAUSE THEY ARE STILL A PART OF THE UK

Obviously devolution does not remove Scotland from the UK but they are not satisfied with that they want more, in fact Independance is the aim of nationalist parties, let them have it.

I don’t claim to know who benefits financially by that, just as during Brexit polititians did not have a clue what the financial result would be, yet persisted with their own agenda

The outstanding fault with Devolution is that the governance of England was not also devolved. The result has been that the House of Commons, with a huge preponderance of English MPs passes legislation which suits England but is imposed on the whole UK affecting all member Countries of the UK whether it suits them or not. English MP's can and do block legislation formulated by the devolved parliaments as demonstrated profoundly by Brexit.

There used to be an organisation called REMPLOY that offered practical skills and work to people in disablement.

I wonder if the funding was withdrawn, if not what happened?
Maybe Labour could bring it back.

Sorry. Wrong thread! Ignore me. 😁

I can remember Remploy factories

Me too Anniebach, there was a large one in Aberdare which I visited about thirty years ago. I was in two minds then about whether it was right to have one factory type environment which provided work for people with such a hugely diverse range of disabilities. It was good for some, but others would have fitted well into work in less segregated environments - and they told us as we chatted to them.

PS on the subject of Scotland, they still have Remploy.

Some foreign journos, who don't know geography of these Islands may conflate this, but I have never in all my 70 odd years heard this put about. An overworked imagination maybe,?

Casdon

PS on the subject of Scotland, they still have Remploy.

The last Remploy factory closed 10+ years ago. Remploy Scotland helps deliver the First Start scheme which l think is being superceded by yet another scheme .....

The Scottish Nationalist party is a PARTY, as is Salmond's party., just as the Conservative party is a PARTY. Should the United Kingdom be totally and permanently identified and categorised according to the views of the party currently in power at any moment, which could change overnight when election results votes are counted?

Neither the Conservative party nor the SNP is the sole permitted party in their respective parliaments. The UK as a whle and Scotland as part of it are neither of them one-party dictatorships.

Independence is only one possibility, and whether it is destined to happen or not, it does not exist in 2024. The current situation, which doesn't look like changing overnight, is that domestic affairs are devolved to the Scottish Parliament, which is chosen by the Scottish people, while other issues are reserved to Westminster. That is no threat to anyone outside Scotland, so could those who live outside that country, and mostly have never even visited, please concentrate on cleansing the Augean Stables in Westminster.

Scottish political mess. Is Devolution working?

Diverting attention away from the question by attacking elsewhere does not answer the question.

Strategic bump for t***l avoidance.

The Westminster should make it clear that Independence means just that, no cherry picking and a customs border, so voters get a clear idea what they are voting for. The nonsense we had during the Brexit chaos must not be repeated where voters were deceived.

I don’t know whether the Scots will be better off independant or not, probably nobody does, but any idea of hanging onto Englands coat tails should be ruled out. When that happens the nationalist parties will loose a lot of support and we will have sensible politics

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Elegran

The Scottish Nationalist party is a PARTY, as is Salmond's party., just as the Conservative party is a PARTY. Should the United Kingdom be totally and permanently identified and categorised according to the views of the party currently in power at any moment, which could change overnight when election results votes are counted?

Neither the Conservative party nor the SNP is the sole permitted party in their respective parliaments. The UK as a whle and Scotland as part of it are neither of them one-party dictatorships.

Independence is only one possibility, and whether it is destined to happen or not, it does not exist in 2024. The current situation, which doesn't look like changing overnight, is that domestic affairs are devolved to the Scottish Parliament, which is chosen by the Scottish people, while other issues are reserved to Westminster. That is no threat to anyone outside Scotland, so could those who live outside that country, and mostly have never even visited, please concentrate on cleansing the Augean Stables in Westminster.

Scotgov funds 10 international "hubs" even though foreign affairs are not devolved. It's keen to promote itself globally so l think anyone from any country should be interested in Scotland and form/express opinions.
Scotgov is anti nuclear weaponry/energy which could very much concern rUK so reasonable that all UK should be aware and informed, firm and express opinions.
Our air, lands, seas are shared, one running into another, there is no border of any kind, there should be no border on thought and opinion.
Censorship is high on the SNP agenda, recognise the dangers and never restrict the general right of expression.

Our only nuclear deterrent is base in Scotland, if that closes it will be no loss to us because the missiles are serviced at the US submarine bases.