Cross partyAsylum seekers in UK should have right to work after six months!

The point I'm making is that there could be young men whose 'checks' reveal nothing but could be sex offenders or even murderers. How many dangerous individuals are here illegally without our knowledge? How many have got caught up in criminal drug gangs since arriving, because it's easy money for them?

We cannot cope with this volume of people entering the country because it's not possible to verify they are all hard working and honest. What percentage are bad eggs, no-one knows until it is too late.

Before someone says we have bad people here, of course we do, plenty of them, which is why we don't want any more!

petra

I remember the first migrant i came into close contact with in the workplace, it was hotel work.
She assured us that she was an experienced chamber maid.
I showed her the rooms she had to change bed linen and clean.
The first I knew that something was wrong was when a guest informed us that there were no sheets on their bed.
There were 15 rooms with no sheets😡

😂
Did the sheets ever turn up?

NotSpaghetti

Oreo - the article I heard was on the radio - no agenda here - so no need to be rude - it was saying that they had family in the UK and would go to live with them.
Personally that's what I'd do if I'd come to the UK to join my family or for family support. I really don't see the issue.

A bit of googling reveals that this meant a "different sort" of reporting.

The issue is that half the ruddy lot are not in contact with the HO and nobody has a clue where they are.These are men who were to be sent to Rwanda since their asylum claims were kicked out.They’ll never be seen again now by the authorities.

I remember the first migrant i came into close contact with in the workplace, it was hotel work.
She assured us that she was an experienced chamber maid.
I showed her the rooms she had to change bed linen and clean.
The first I knew that something was wrong was when a guest informed us that there were no sheets on their bed.
There were 15 rooms with no sheets😡

Yes, but holding a licence in Africa, for example, is not adequate for driving on our roads.

There is a short test they need to do here before driving.

That happened at my workplace.
A driving instructor went to the evening echo and said "well, I'm not surprised he had an accident. He was a bloody menace on the roads.
I informed the dvld, then crimestoppers, and nobody did anything".

Oreo - the article I heard was on the radio - no agenda here - so no need to be rude - it was saying that they had family in the UK and would go to live with them.
Personally that's what I'd do if I'd come to the UK to join my family or for family support. I really don't see the issue.

A bit of googling reveals that this meant a "different sort" of reporting.

Many of these people, mostly young men it seems, come from countries that are in chaos. So how on earth can you do any kind of 'checks' which are reliable? That includes work references, qualifications, criminal records. Could any of the information found be relied upon? Can the authorities that issue them be trusted? We have fake qualifications issued in the UK so I'm pretty sure there would be plenty of them in other countries.

I would imagine that most of the young men who come here would view our roads perfectly adequate considering where they come from.

Yes, just that
I'm suspicious of "checks".

Checks on at risk children.
Checks on people who wear tags to ensure their whereabouts is known.
Checks on people with health problems.
So many people fall through the net, over and over.

My neighbours friend had to contact our local mp to get a tag removed from her property, after the offender cut ot off and went miles away to live.

It was always going off, so the police told her to put it on the balcony and ignore it!!

MissAdventure

I presume that had credible paperwork.
The guy at our place was marvellous, always respectful, hardworking, and very much part of the team.
In fact he carried some of the less brilliant team members.

That’s not the point tho is it? For all anyone knew he had a criminal record could even be a sex offender.That’s why there are checks supposedly in place.

Wyllow3

"That was the one that immediately occurred." I meant agriculture. We used to have seasonal workers from EU countries but we've cut that off with Brexit.

No, it hasn’t been cut off.
Seasonal workers can still be brought in to work in agriculture.

I presume that had credible paperwork.
The guy at our place was marvellous, always respectful, hardworking, and very much part of the team.
In fact he carried some of the less brilliant team members.

Germanshepherdsmum

NotSpaghetti

GSM I heard yesterday that around half of those destined to go to Rwanda have disappeared

I heard that they were actually not missing but living with their families instead of government hostels etc.

I heard that the Home Office didn’t know where they were.

The Beeb report that the HO hasn’t a clue where they now are.
But if it suits anyone’s agenda on here, then yeah, they’re all living cosy lives with their families.😄

That is not a criticism of the workers, by the way, more a criticism of the checks that are carried out (or no€, as the case may be)

Things have probably tightened up since then, but I wouldnt say that is definitely the case.

Wow MissAdventure that’s bad! It means the charity did no checks at all on them.

Around ten or so years ago, around half of the workforce at the charity I worked for disappeared overnight.

It wasn't cash in hand, some of the staff were home managers, all of them drove works vehicles with service users aboard.

One person had an accident in his own car, which led to a bit of checking up, and bam!!!
All gone nu the next day, never to be spoken of again.

Would you be happy for you or a family member to be operated on, have their teeth filled, or indeed have infrastructure overseen by an engineer by an asylum seeker who hadn’t been verified as to their identity.

I was going to suggest that this is just scaremongering and wouldn't happen, but then I recollected that our government sanctions the use of barely trained 'physician associates' to take the place of fully trained doctors in the NHS, so I'm not so sure that my initial thought is correct. 🤔

I would want to be be treated by a professional who was a member of the appropriate professional body and who had all the necessary checks in place.

Just as when I volunteer I have a current DBS in place.

zakouma66

How about the dentists, doctors, engineers and so on that are people seeking asylum? Their skills are wasted as they wait and wait for years.

Anyway, no problem. Lets not let the truth interfere with the machine pumping out variations on " They come here and take our jobs/ They are all scroungers/ Illegals throw away their paperwork/ Romanians are flooding into our country/ They should stay in France/ Rwanda is a nice country."

Would you be happy for you or a family member to be operated on, have their teeth filled, or indeed have infrastructure overseen by an engineer by an asylum seeker who hadn’t been verified as to their identity.

Also they need to have qualifications and references rigorously checked to see if they are who they say they are and that their qualifications are comparable/compatible with U.K. standards?

As I posted upthread, if this can be achieved in six months it should also be possible to process their claim for asylum.

It is not a problem with them working legally and paying tax it is a problem with the verification system.

"That was the one that immediately occurred." I meant agriculture. We used to have seasonal workers from EU countries but we've cut that off with Brexit.

That was the one that immediately occurred.

Whats been highlighted above is lots of systems not working well

"Someone should show them these pictures of people sleeping on the floor and ask them if that is how they imagine life in England."

Actually, I agree with this - the picture painted by those wretched people smugglers to economic migrants is clearly streets paid with gold etc etc.

However, the genuine refugees - the 67% - are seeking to just be able to live.

If Germany can do this:
"The aim is to conclude the asylum procedure and subsequent court proceedings within a period of three months. In all other cases, administrative and first-instance asylum proceedings will be completed within six months."

If accepted, Asylum seekers are then eligible to work. That is preferable, but we've spent energy and so much money o the Rwanda scheme instead of processing.

In the meantime, we have a proposal on the table with some positivity. I regret deeply any "lumping together" of all who arrive in our country as dangerous or bad as they are all individuals.

How about the dentists, doctors, engineers and so on that are people seeking asylum? Their skills are wasted as they wait and wait for years.

Anyway, no problem. Lets not let the truth interfere with the machine pumping out variations on " They come here and take our jobs/ They are all scroungers/ Illegals throw away their paperwork/ Romanians are flooding into our country/ They should stay in France/ Rwanda is a nice country."

Fruit and vegetables sometimes rot in the fields here as farmers find it difficult to recruit pickers.

NotSpaghetti

GSM I heard yesterday that around half of those destined to go to Rwanda have disappeared

I heard that they were actually not missing but living with their families instead of government hostels etc.

I heard that the Home Office didn’t know where they were.

Just keep in mind in one year the number of rough sleepers is up by a quarter in England. In London up by a third. We simply cannot sustain this number of people arriving, they will have nowhere to live.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68429271
Someone should show them these pictures of people sleeping on the floor and ask them if that is how they imagine life in England.