Cross partyAsylum seekers in UK should have right to work after six months!

We cant tar all with the same brush, thats the problem with giving one of individual examples.

Locally Quakers I know work with some refugees and a whole set of different stories come out - (including counselling post torture and skills),

Lets see a rounded picture of a whole number of different individuals.

Chestnut

The point I'm making is that there could be young men whose 'checks' reveal nothing but could be sex offenders or even murderers. How many dangerous individuals are here illegally without our knowledge? How many have got caught up in criminal drug gangs since arriving, because it's easy money for them?

We cannot cope with this volume of people entering the country because it's not possible to verify they are all hard working and honest. What percentage are bad eggs, no-one knows until it is too late.

Before someone says we have bad people here, of course we do, plenty of them, which is why we don't want any more!

We sure don’t 👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

Oh Chestnut we don’t know till we give someone a chance How many famous people have MADE this country
and been refugees How many gold medals would we have without Mo Farah
Yes yes yes that’s what I ve been saying for years these people want to work there are often trained medics doctors dentists or sons of and we need these trades carers nurses give them a chance to be useful citizens that’s all they re asking

Bad eggs wil be found out and sent back to whence they came but everyone deserves a chance and we need so many trades
The people that get on the boats are from moneyed families it costs the earth for a family to get on a boat

Why do people automatically say refugee = bad person
Why can’t they remember all the people who have come here and made this country

Thank you BlueBelle

My grandfather was one of these - he came here with skills, demonstrated them to a particular company who, in time, promoted him. Later he set up other branches in other countries. He was but one of 1000s.

On no! petra had a bad experience with somebody re sheets. There you go, proof indeed that they are all useless.

To come here as an asylum seeker requires considerable grit and determination. We need not speak so disparagingly of them.
It shouldn’t be difficult to test that they have the skills/ qualifications they say they have, most too young to have many qualifications anyway.

Bluebelle Bad eggs wil be found out and sent back to whence they came but everyone deserves a chance and we need so many trades
Bad eggs sent back to whence they came? First they have to serve some years in prison (paid by us) for committing some dreadful crime, and then people like you will stop them being deported. Remember when some people jumped the airplane before it took off with some rapist/murderer. He never left the UK and if I remember went on to commit another crime.

we need so many trades
We cannot keep bringing people in to fill gaps. For instance, every single person who comes here to work in the NHS has to be found a home and everything else, plus they will also be needing the NHS themselves, hence even more demand for doctors, nurses and treatments. My daughter works in pre-natal and they are far busier than a few years ago, so it's not just OLD people who are creating demands on the NHS. In 2022 one third of all births in the UK were to foreign born mums which is staggering. How can we keep up with this?

Why do people automatically say refugee = bad person. Why can’t they remember all the people who have come here and made this country
No-one has said 'refugee = bad person'. You made that up to exaggerate your point.

growstuff

Primrose53

Construction workers? Wouldn’t like to live in a house built by someone with no experience. Or most of the others jobs mentioned come to that.

I'd be quite happy to use a toilet cleaned by somebody without experience.

Toilet is not going to fall on your head, is it. Ridiculous analogy.

Chestnut👏🏻👏🏻👏🏻

The nonsense continues.

Migrant workers would not be building houses unsupervised, that’s what Building Regulations are for.

The birth rate in the UK is dropping, not rising. The birth rate for U.K. in 2023 was 11.267 births per 1000 people, a 0.49% decline from 2022. The birth rate for U.K. in 2022 was 11.322 births per 1000 people, a 0.48% decline from 2021.

We can all have our opinions, but I do wish people would base them on fact more frequently. Yes, I’m a pain in the proverbial before you say it again - but I sometimes feel on these threads that I’ve stepped into alternative reality.

Casdon the birth rate may be dropping but one third of all births are to foreign born mums. And my daughter in pre-natal is busier than ever. Not an alternative reality but our reality.

Building Regulations are nothing to do with the standard of workmanship employed in the construction of a building - the Building Inspector doesn’t always bother to carry out a proper inspection before signing off.

Amongst asylum seekers I have seen interviewed, very few speak English. Most don’t speak the language at all. How are they going to understand instructions from an employer? How are they going to understand health and safety requirements, communicate with colleagues or, perish the thought, people they are supposed to be caring for?

But house builders have to work within Building Regulations Germanshepherdsmum. You can’t just put up a house in the UK without complying, whether your specific building is checked or not, and no house building company would take on unskilled workers and let them work unchecked - if you think they would, it must surely already be happening anyway?

My friend’s husband works in the aircraft industry. They were taking on people from abroad and he refused to sign off most of their work as they could not speak English or even read what was required of them. He said it was dangerous having people like this working on planes. He jumped at the chance to get out when they offered voluntary redundancies as he had worked there for decades so got a good package. He said he could not live with the stress of worrying what these workers were doing.

I think a toilet may have already dropped on some heads.

Funny that, the people seeking asylum I have interviewed spoke some or good English. One young woman from Sudan proved an excellent asset as an interpreter. Sadly she had to stop when her refugee status arrived and she was taken on by a large engineering firm. Her Masters degree and experience proved impressive, as did her resilient and up beat attitude.

I don't think sheet changing, vegetable picking or toilet cleaning were her thing. Although she did use her spare time to set up ad hoc English classes for others.

Casdon

But house builders have to work within Building Regulations Germanshepherdsmum. You can’t just put up a house in the UK without complying, whether your specific building is checked or not, and no house building company would take on unskilled workers and let them work unchecked - if you think they would, it must surely already be happening anyway?

As I said, the Building Inspector doesn’t always do the checks you might expect. I have known brown envelopes to change hands - I’m talking about well known house builders. If you think all work is supervised, I’m sorry to disappoint you. Blind eyes are turned. Many reputable tradesmen refuse to work for some of the big house builders nowadays.

Chestnut

Casdon the birth rate may be dropping but one third of all births are to foreign born mums. And my daughter in pre-natal is busier than ever. Not an alternative reality but our reality.

Foreign born mothers is a broad church though Chestnut. I’d wager that the majority of them are EU nationals who came here to work, which they were encouraged to do, and have settled in the UK. Another proportion will be because the legal migration route has vastly expanded in the last few years, that is the migrant group which hardly ever gets discussed on Gransnet. The number of babies born to people who have entered the UK illegally will be very small, particularly since the vast majority of them, as we keep being told on these threads, are young single men. Your angst is directed into the wrong area if you are concerned about births to foreign born women.

Casdon

But house builders have to work within Building Regulations Germanshepherdsmum. You can’t just put up a house in the UK without complying, whether your specific building is checked or not, and no house building company would take on unskilled workers and let them work unchecked - if you think they would, it must surely already be happening anyway?

Are these the same Building Regulations applied to Grenfell Tower and thousands of other blocks?

It's a terrifying thought that people who cannot speak good English are working on construction and in the aircraft industry, plus of course medical and care jobs. In fact anything where people's safety is at risk.

Germanshepherdsmum

Casdon

But house builders have to work within Building Regulations Germanshepherdsmum. You can’t just put up a house in the UK without complying, whether your specific building is checked or not, and no house building company would take on unskilled workers and let them work unchecked - if you think they would, it must surely already be happening anyway?

As I said, the Building Inspector doesn’t always do the checks you might expect. I have known brown envelopes to change hands - I’m talking about well known house builders. If you think all work is supervised, I’m sorry to disappoint you. Blind eyes are turned. Many reputable tradesmen refuse to work for some of the big house builders nowadays.

So, it’s already happening then? What difference would it make if migrants were employed as well to do what other people are already doing badly - for all we know they could be just as good/bad. From what I’ve seen locally though I have to say the Building Inspectors are zealous, but maybe it’s just here that’s the case.

Some of the comments are really so same old, same old.

I also wonder how many of the Know it alls have ever travelled abroad and had dialogues with the people who live there.I have always been impressed with the level of English I have encountered . For goodness sake stop belittling them all.One example does not mean that all foreign workers would make the same mistake.

westendgirl

Some of the comments are really so same old, same old.

I also wonder how many of the Know it alls have ever travelled abroad and had dialogues with the people who live there.I have always been impressed with the level of English I have encountered . For goodness sake stop belittling them all.One example does not mean that all foreign workers would make the same mistake.

But one small mistake on an aeroplane could kill hundreds of people!!!

^I think a toilet may have already dropped on some heads.
Funny that, the people seeking asylum I have interviewed spoke some or good English. One young woman from Sudan proved an excellent asset as an interpreter. Sadly she had to stop when her refugee status arrived and she was taken on by a large engineering firm. Her Masters degree and experience proved impressive, as did her resilient and up beat attitude.
I don't think sheet changing, vegetable picking or toilet cleaning were her thing. Although she did use her spare time to set up ad hoc English classes for others.^

zakouma66 👏👏👏

There are good and bad apples in every barrel…

GrannyGravy13

There are good and bad apples in every barrel…

Exactly.

Do we not have enough bad apples already?