Immigration and migrants

Germanshepherdsmum

Couldn’t agree more Oreo. Our resources cannot cope with this influx of people.
Here are some figures:
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53699511#:~:text=As%20at%2021%20April%2C%206%2C265,to%20the%20UK%20this%20way.

As I’ve said constantly I have no issue with controlling migration, however they arrive. I too want a stop to these dangerous boats. I just take a particular dislike to some “civilised” people labelling migrants/asylum seekers as “illegals” and suggesting a large proportion of them are potential criminals!

Oreo

Then you’ve met one asylum seeker, so what?

I’ve met many!

Cossy

Oreo

Legal migration is one thing and illegal migration is another.
Stop mixing them up.
Calling other points of view other than your own ignorance and bigotry shows how intransigent you are.

I’m not mixing them up!

Stop being so patronising! I’ve worked with asylum seekers, I know the difference. Funny though isn’t it that the figures for “legal migration” are far far higher than those arriving here through legal routes and are likely to be far more of a drain on our resources than those coming on small, dangerous boats.

I have no issue at all with differing opinions, I have issues with SOME of the bigoted, misinformed comments on here.

I have no issue with carefully controlled immigration either.

I’m neither ignorant nor bigoted but thanks anyway for your extremely helpful post!

Again, well said. I found the post patronising too. On the other hand I've found Cossy's posts on several threads to be the opposite of ignorant and bigoted!

People entering our country in this way via the boats are unknown to authorities here, frequently lie about who they are and where they come from and why they left.We have no idea if either only a few are criminals or a lot.No idea at all.

Oreo ^We’re not in an Oxford or Cambridge debating society, it’s a forum to dip in and out of.
Virtue signalling describes the OP quite aptly.^

This comment has made me smile because it perfectly sums up the Adam Smith article regarding virtue signalling. You might learn something if you read the article … but then, you might not wish to interrogate your own entrenched views.

Oreo

You certainly sound very angry.Calm down and realise that there are posters with other views on the matter to yours.

I’m neither angry nor nasty! Nor am I bigoted, ignorant nor intransigent, though you have decided I’m most of the aforementioned.

Calm down, how utter patronising can you be??

Enjoy the rest of your day my dear, I’m perfectly capable of debate and acceptance of others views, but then as you pointed out earlier “ We’re not in an Oxford or Cambridge debating society, it’s a forum to dip in and out of.
Virtue signalling describes the OP quite aptly”

Thank you for your posts on my post, I respectfully suggest we agree to disagree with each other.

Chinese whispers? Nobody has suggested that Cossy is either bigoted or ignorant, in fact it was her own post that says she doesn’t like the ignorant and bigoted posts on the subject of migrants coming here on boats. Clear now?

Oreo

People entering our country in this way via the boats are unknown to authorities here, frequently lie about who they are and where they come from and why they left.We have no idea if either only a few are criminals or a lot.No idea at all.

I would wager that we all probably have “no idea” who in our neighbourhood are “criminals” or within our working lives whether some of them are “criminals”

Call me naive, if it makes you feel good (& somehow superior), but I tend to judge as I find, and most people I’ve come across in my 65 years of living, working and mixing with people of all nationalities, have been pretty honest decent people and (as far as I know) don’t have criminal tendencies.

Oreo 👍
Easybee 👍

I'm wondering if you are being a bit too combative cossy?

Your posts seem to be encouraging people to get upset with you?

A bit counter intuitive if you truly want people to
stop blaming
stop believing the media, who are 'pretending'
stop swallowing
To think and research

So, I still think it must be a slow day for you and your looking to liven it up a bit.😄

There are better ways to entertain oneself.

I find knitting surprisingly good.

Oreo

People entering our country in this way via the boats are unknown to authorities here, frequently lie about who they are and where they come from and why they left.We have no idea if either only a few are criminals or a lot.No idea at all.

If we have no idea, you can't claim that these people frequently lie. You can't know one way or the other.

LizzieDrip

Oreo ^We’re not in an Oxford or Cambridge debating society, it’s a forum to dip in and out of.
Virtue signalling describes the OP quite aptly.^

This comment has made me smile because it perfectly sums up the Adam Smith article regarding virtue signalling. You might learn something if you read the article … but then, you might not wish to interrogate your own entrenched views.

www.adamsmith.org/blog/stop-saying-virtue-signalling

Wow!

Where is the post where I call you ignorant and bigoted ( they are your own words) or nasty?
You do sound intransigent tho, and not accepting of other views.
I can certainly agree to disagree with your comments, without fake grins or bunches of flowers.

Thinking of the many O/P's we've had expressing a strong political POV.
I honestly can't see why this one is regarded as virtue signalling any more than many others.

Best way to signal disapproval or disagreement is to address the matters at hand?

No time Lizziedrip
Entrenched views on what? Having different opinions to you perhaps?
Sometimes a short pithy post is better than a long rambling one.

growstuff

Oreo

People entering our country in this way via the boats are unknown to authorities here, frequently lie about who they are and where they come from and why they left.We have no idea if either only a few are criminals or a lot.No idea at all.

If we have no idea, you can't claim that these people frequently lie. You can't know one way or the other.

Immigration officials have said so.Some destroy all ID and spin a tale.

Thank you for your post Cossy. I agree with every word.

It is virtue signalling. Look how great I am, I have compassion, I am not nasty or bigoted or ignorant like you lot! That’s how it sounds.

I could write a book about several years I spent in the early 70s working with Ugandan Asians who were thrown out by Idi Amin and arrived with a small suitcase and a few quid. Now I’m getting accused of having no compassion! I loved working with them and presumably they thought I was OK because they invited me to weddings and other family occasions and some still keep in touch.

They came here legally as most had British passports and they worked extremely hard, often 7 days a week, in order to provide for their families. Some of them are now the wealthiest businesspeople in the country.

There is a massive difference between people like them getting kicked out with just a few days notice and freeloading, mainly fit young men, who see us as the land of milk and honey. They don’t want to work because they know our benefit system will pay them not to. They could be anybody and we can’t do a thing about it.

My views on illegal immigrants (whatever they call themselves) are well known. If they arrived by a non legal route then they are criminals. They should stay in their own countries and work or fight for better conditions. I agree with GSM and others that we do not have the resources to house and look after these people already here.

I wonder what Cossy thinks of those asylum seekers whose applications are refused but who are then advised to get themselves baptised in order to succeed on appeal? Can any decent person condone the abuse of the Christian religion in this way? The Clapham attacker was one such - already a convicted sex attacker and described by neighbours as ‘a good Muslim man’.

1. We need to give migrants a chance for legal routes, biglouis. Ie processing centres before they reach the UK. Without that, few have little choice.

It's been suggested so many times but the government seems intransigent - end result, boats or lorries only option.

2. We need to involve ourselves in European wide discussions on migration patterns and solutions/policing particularly better investing in policing and information sharing. Like Europol.
For example we no longer have access to under the European Criminal Records Information System (ECRIS) post Brexit.

Germanshepherdsmum

I wonder what Cossy thinks of those asylum seekers whose applications are refused but who are then advised to get themselves baptised in order to succeed on appeal? Can any decent person condone the abuse of the Christian religion in this way? The Clapham attacker was one such - already a convicted sex attacker and described by neighbours as ‘a good Muslim man’.

Well, of course not. but the danger is generalising outward from one bad apple, and I suspect once of the reasons for setting up a dialogue on the terms of the O/P.

In the times I have been to the UK recently I have travelled on my Australian passport. They are not super welcoming when you arrive and I have been warned that I can only stay 6 weeks. If I came on a nasty little boat I guess I could have stayed as long as I liked and then get a trip to some other country, all expenses paid. Time it was sorted isn’t it ?

I may be wrong but I saw this thread, Namsnanny as a way to balance the rather unpleasant thread loosely on the same subject.

I think Cossy was trying to start with a clean slate and encourage informed chat/debate rather than the hostility that permeates the other thread. Sorry if I have misinterpreted this.

Unfortunately it seems to have started to spill over here too.

I was grateful for a new place to talk.

Just saying.

Many feel hostile towards this never-ending uncontrolled of people. And we are all entitled to express our opinions.

Wyllow, setting up legal routes is pointless. Those refused entry, or unwilling to wait for their application to be processed, will come here on boats.

Germanshepherdsmum

I wonder what Cossy thinks of those asylum seekers whose applications are refused but who are then advised to get themselves baptised in order to succeed on appeal? Can any decent person condone the abuse of the Christian religion in this way? The Clapham attacker was one such - already a convicted sex attacker and described by neighbours as ‘a good Muslim man’.

I can tell you exactly how I feel about this particular case, and the few others like this, I thinks it’s utterly awful and would in no way condone this act nor want ANY criminal element living here irrespective of their nationality. I think you know this though,