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Cossy Wed 01-May-24 10:50:14

I have to comment on a new thread about some of the comments on here relating to immigrants, entering either via illegal means or via correct channels.

Those entering our country illegally, for whatever reason, make up just 1% of our overall population.

Often, but not always, they've made arduous physically and emotionally demanding journeys just to reach Europe. Often, but not always, their second language is English and sometimes they have links to the UK.

1% of our population!

Yet so much time is given to portraying them in the media as men pretending to be boys, criminals, exploiters, scroungers etc etc etc

Perhaps before swallowing all the "bad" stories about immigrants portrayed in our media, encouraged by our govt., you should, a) remember these people are human beings, b) we are here safe and sound only due to an accident of birth.

If you must "blame" someone for this situation, blame the corrupt govts from which many of these people come, blame the traffickers, blame our inept govt.

We could (not saying we should!) have housed every single asylum seeker in the last two years using the money our govt has so freely given to France and Rwanda.

Think and research before you negatively comment about immigrants.

Elegran Wed 15-May-24 10:56:08

Can you stop them from charging what the market will support? How? Nationalise all universities and have them all run the same courses from the same textbooks, at the same price?

NotSpaghetti Wed 15-May-24 11:02:48

Thanks casdon. I'd heard about Eurodac but that's a very straightforward leaflet, thank you. I was talking around the asylum issue last week with my grandson. I shell forward that to him.

Elegran Wed 15-May-24 13:13:08

"Eurodac holds a range of information on asylum applicants and irregular immigrants. This includes their gender, fingerprints as well as date and place of apprehension or asylum application. It is anonymous in the sense that the names are left unregistered" Names can change. Fingerprints can't.

Eurodac processes, stores and/or compares the
fingerprints of third country nationals or stateless persons
who are at least 14 years old and who:
• have applied for asylum in one of the Eurodac
participating countries (data is stored for 10 years); or
• have been apprehended in connection with an
irregular crossing of a concerned external border (data is stored for 18 months); or
• have been found to be illegally present within a
Eurodac country.

I would say that it is a very useful tool for finding out whether someone is applying wholesale to other countries for asylum.

NotSpaghetti Wed 15-May-24 19:39:09

Yes, indeed.

petra Thu 16-May-24 14:03:32

The Dutch are going to upset the EU with this request.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13425425/Netherlands-EU-rules-strictest-asylum-policy.html

GrannyGravy13 Thu 16-May-24 14:20:59

I guess they want the same opt out deal negotiated between EU and Denmark.

Wyllow3 Thu 16-May-24 22:57:15

asyl.drc.ngo/en/for-asylum-seekers/the-danish-asylum-system/the-danish-asylum-procedure/

If you actually read the Danish system in careful detail it isn't very different than ours in many aspects. (ie interview, appeals)

The main difference seems to be that they are actually far more efficient.

(And Even if a person is totally rejected, they cannot be sent back if the country is dangerous, until it changes.)