Immigration and migrants

oreo

“ Am sure that working with individuals who are refugees gives an insight into their past, presuming it’s an honest tale.For some it will be, for others not so much.
Being filled with the milk of human kindness and wishing all who jump on boats to get here could stay just isn’t reasonable tho.Not saying that you want that but some do.
I would have preferred the money spent on the Rwanda project to be spent on training lots of immigration officers to deal with applications within the HO.Quick processing of claims and followed by faster deportations.”

No one on here, including me, has said ever that every single person rocking up here should be granted leave to remain. Of course there have to be robust systems in place.

I absolutely agree with with you that both the Rwanda funding, and that given to France, would have been far better spent bringing in temp immigration officers to quickly process and make decisions, and if needs be deport people “playing the system”

And more facts.
Humanitarian Protection status can be awarded, meaning that the person does not qualify as a refugee, but does need protection and this can be up to 5 years.

Discretionary Leave to Remain this falls under Article 8 of the Human Rights Act, respect for private and family life and is usually for 30 months without recourse to public funds, meaning that the individual cannot access any Government funding including benefits, tax credits or housing assistance.
In most cases initially, the case is refused requiring the individual to appeal. Over one third of appeals are successful. This must mean the Home Office are either getting decisions wrong or prefer to defer the decision to the courts.

The number of people currently being granted protection has worryingly being falling and it echoes what Price, the Public affairs officer at Asylum Aid has observed, the Home Office are consistently refusing applications unfairly and
making the wrong decisions (Price, 2018)

A claim having failed, the asylum seeker can submit fresh evidence either to support their claim or to make a fresh claim. For example they may possibly be able to get documents that back up the evidence that they gave at interview or they be able to provide medical evidence of torture. Since 2010 and the hostile environment the claimant has had to travel to the Home Office’s Further Submissions Unit in Liverpool to submit new evidence which must be done in person only.

Summerlove
FYI saying virtue signalling is not slander nor is typing the words libel.

How many appeal decisions have you read?

Namsnanny

It’s one thing to disagree with someone, that’s your right.

There’s no need to be so rude. I’d be more than happy to for you to post any links you have to your research, it maybe something I’ve not read or know about.

Germanshepherdsmum

How many appeal decisions have you read?

Are you addressing your comment to me? GSM?

Locally our Refugee Centre works amongst other things with the volunteer Centre as refugees are allowed to do supervised voluntary work.

Example (I chose another city from mine for privacy but its very similar)
mrsn.org.uk/volunteering/

Interesting piece taken from the House of Commons Library

“ Some immigration decisions attract a right of appeal, but most do not. Constituents should seek advice from a solicitor or accredited immigration adviser if considering an appeal.
Appeals are generally heard by the First-tier Tribunal (Immigration and Asylum), which is administered by HM Courts and Tribunals Service. The tribunal operates in England, Scotland, Wales and Northern Ireland.
Appealable decisions
Appeal rights for immigration refusals are quite limited.
Generally, an appeal can only be made against a refusal based on:
Human rights
International protection (asylum)
The EU Settlement Scheme
This means that most visa refusals do not have a right of appeal. The Immigration Act 2014 abolished most immigration appeal rights.”

Germanshepherdsmum

Perhaps, if you don’t want to undergo all that, don’t come here.

That’s a ridiculous comment GSM.
I wonder where your heart is?

WHAT HAPPENS IF THE ASYLUM CLAIM IS SUCCESSFUL?
Asylum support both in terms of cash allowance and accommodation ceases either 21 or 28 days (depending on the level of support) after the decision to award refugee status is made.

WHAT HAPPENS IF THE CLAIM FOR ASYLUM FAILS?
Once a person’s claim for asylum has been refused, the Home Office will write advising that the individual needs to leave the UK. Support that they have been receiving ceases 21 days after their asylum claim has been refused. If there are
dependent children or other significant factors, then some support may continue on a discretionary basis. Occasionally, there may be support from a Local Authority, particularly if there is a “child in need”. All NHS hospital care will be charged to the individual, who of course now has no income. There are a few exceptions for example, treatment of TB and emergency treatment in A and E, but in the main, all hospital care will be chargeable.

That’s why there’s a rush to get baptised.

Yes, Cossy, I am asking how many appeal decisions you have read. You say that ‘sometimes there is a need for an asylum seeker to honestly appeal ‘. The use of the word ‘honestly’ is interesting.

Too right Oreo. On the advice of those lovely human rights lawyers we are all paying.

Oreo

That’s why there’s a rush to get baptised.

What were you replying to, Oreo ?

Thank you Cossy for your original post, which would not qualify as a sermon or lecture by any means.I think another post was needed after the others had become quite unpleasant.
I have seen mentions of "our people"in those posts and before this phrase crops up again I would like to clarify if that referred to the Celts, the Picts ,the Romans,the Anglo Saxons, the Normans the Gaelic Scots, the Huguenots, the Moors, the Danes , to name but a few . Does anyone know ?

Ladyleftfieldlover

Germanshepherdsmum

Perhaps, if you don’t want to undergo all that, don’t come here.

That’s a ridiculous comment GSM.
I wonder where your heart is?

In the right place but not being waved about all over the place on forums I would say.

westendgirl

Thank you Cossy for your original post, which would not qualify as a sermon or lecture by any means.I think another post was needed after the others had become quite unpleasant.
I have seen mentions of "our people"in those posts and before this phrase crops up again I would like to clarify if that referred to the Celts, the Picts ,the Romans,the Anglo Saxons, the Normans the Gaelic Scots, the Huguenots, the Moors, the Danes , to name but a few . Does anyone know ?

Our own or own people refers to any native born Britain or any one from any nationality who have settled here through legal means.That help the confusion?

Germanshepherdsmum

Yes, Cossy, I am asking how many appeal decisions you have read. You say that ‘sometimes there is a need for an asylum seeker to honestly appeal ‘. The use of the word ‘honestly’ is interesting.

None actually. Are they in the public domain? Surely you can accept that they should have the right to appeal, though according to what I’ve read today in the HoC library, there are very few tha can actually appeal any more?

Sorry that, not tha

I disagree with most of these comments, it is my personal view which I am entitled to.
I will just ask, how much money is it costing to keep these people?
Our health service is suffering
Our pensioners are suffering
Our education system is suffering -
Charity begins at home

Elless

I disagree with most of these comments, it is my personal view which I am entitled to.
I will just ask, how much money is it costing to keep these people?
Our health service is suffering
Our pensioners are suffering
Our education system is suffering -
Charity begins at home

Blame your govt and your “own” people for “allegedly” bleeding our systems dry with all their fit notes for mental health conditions, but to blame less than 1% of our overall population for NHS. Housing and teaching shortages is ludicrous!

They stretch our resources still further - but what do they care?

Cossy

Namsnanny

It’s one thing to disagree with someone, that’s your right.

There’s no need to be so rude. I’d be more than happy to for you to post any links you have to your research, it maybe something I’ve not read or know about.

Well, we shall have to differ on yet another subject, ie definition of rude.
I categorised your speech.
Then suggested a reason for your emotional post.

None of it was meant to be rude, just truthful observation.
An example of rudeness is, if I'd told you where to put your opinions.
Now that is unequivocally rude.

Although I will give it to you that my description of your choice of words was harsh, - but I think fair.

As for giving endless links and counter points, why?

You have made it abundantly clear of your inability to view the subject through an unemotive, lens.

* Namsnanny*

In that case I apologise. But you are wrong, I speak only from experience not from any kind of rose tinted spectacles. I’m always willing to learn and educate myself and also admit if I am wrong.

Maybe my original post did come across as “preachy” and “antagonistic” but that was never my intention.

Oreo "Am sure that working with individuals who are refugees gives an insight into their past, presuming it’s an honest tale.For some it will be, for others not so much.
Being filled with the milk of human kindness and wishing all who jump on boats to get here could stay just isn’t reasonable tho.Not saying that you want that but some do."

Working with refugees gave me more than an insight into their past. Refugees are people just like you and me with the same need for being safe and feeling that they have a future. No one needs to be "filled with the milk of human kindness" to appreciate that, just being a normal human is enough but the demonising of people arriving here on small boats in some of our media IMO gives some people licence to see them as less than we are. They are not, they have just been very unlucky in their place of birth and we have not. For the record I believe we should offer asylum to those who need it and not to those who do not.