By-election and local authority results.

Iam64

Andy Burnham is very popular throughout Gtr Manchester. He’s grown into his role as Mayor and clearly loves our city. He was MP for a Gtr Manc area and is a northern man. His politics are good. In October 23, he called for a ceasefire in Gaza. Like Jess Phillips he’s strong enough to express his views without falling out with Keir Starmer.

I remember him as Health Minister, he was one of the few in that role who was respected in the NHS - but he always strikes me as a very independent person, so the mayor role suits him well I would think - the Muslims in Manchester must have voted for him too to give him such a huge majority.

Whitewavemark2

Iam64

Andy Burnham is very popular throughout Gtr Manchester. He’s grown into his role as Mayor and clearly loves our city. He was MP for a Gtr Manc area and is a northern man. His politics are good. In October 23, he called for a ceasefire in Gaza. Like Jess Phillips he’s strong enough to express his views without falling out with Keir Starmer.

I think Starmer’s difficulty is that he needed to distance himself from the Corbyn era, and in doing so has managed to alienate the Muslim base.

But I think he can very well pull that back without at the same time losing the Jewish vote. It looks very much as if a ceasefire is now possible and Starmer now needs to support a two party state (which he does) and the rebuilding of peace.

Bipartisan politics alive and growing in the UK.
Don't call for ceasefire, we'll not vote for you.
Only not apparent in Ukraine war. I wonder why that is.

And no protest marches re Ukraine war

“I think Starmer’s difficulty is that he needed to distance himself from the Corbyn era, and in doing so has managed to alienate the Muslim base.”

The Gaza issue could change the voting in the autumn, if it is settled - whichever way and goes off the headlines. Votes will change, if it drags on they will get more important.

I can’t see votes changing in favour of the Tories, it’s too late for their fortunes to be turned. What the elections on Thursday have proved is that whatever happens next, the Tories aren’t going to win the next election. I haven’t seen any political pundits suggest that. If people don’t vote Labour they will either not vote, or vote for any other option except Tory.

One major issue with the Tories, which causes the chaos we are witnessing and such poor policy making is the continual fighting between the factions.

There was a truce called in 2019 to sort out the Brexit issue, but the divisions are now evident in all their gruesome glory.

We will never have decent governance all the time the government is tearing itself apart.

That is one major off-put with the voting public.

Freya5

vegansrock

Many people in favour of ULEZ. A lot of people want cleaner. Greener policies and to stop our roads getting clogged up with cars. I am happy Khan has won. I’m not sure how anyone can say he is “useless”- I wonder what one word label you would give to this current government?

ULEZ, no good to families if they've lost children to knife crime, in Khan's London.
Still the Islamists are happy. Saw them on TV

Surely more people would be losing children from asthma and other related diseases than knife crime. The last time I was in London (pre covid) I had to get taxis everywhere rather than walk as I was used to do when I lived there. I am asthmatic and one of the causes is traffic pollution.

Gtr Manchester has the second largest Jewish community next only to London. We also have a large Muslim community, centred near the city and in former cotton towns like Rochdale, Bolton, Oldham,Bury.
I agree with Whitewave’s earlier post about the need for the LP to distance itself from Corbyn, anti semitism, defence, uncosted promises dripping out during the election campaign
The current govt is leaving a terrible mess for the next. It’s also contributed to the disaffection many feel towards politicians

I didn't know much about Susan Hill (not a Londoner) but when I did google I was surprised at choosing her as an opponent for Khan - surely someone more moderate would have had greater success?
www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/sep/15/conservative-london-mayor-candidate-susan-hall-liked-tweets-praising-enoch-powell
Not all her policies were bad ideas but I cant understand the choice.

Joseann

As I see it, the Met police has lost Londoners' trust under Sadiq Khan’s leadership. Isn't it now in special measures for the first time ever? I don't blame Khan personally for everything, but he needs to toughen up on this issue and get real.

I lived in London (Brixton) at the time of the riots. The subsequent Scarman Report pointed a finger at policing in the area. Since then, little has changed apart from the drop in numbers. Occasionally the head of the Met will say that things will change but the attitudes of many of the force towards people of colour and women have not changed and are unlikely to unless there is a change in the recruitment policy.

Whitewavemark2

One major issue with the Tories, which causes the chaos we are witnessing and such poor policy making is the continual fighting between the factions.

There was a truce called in 2019 to sort out the Brexit issue, but the divisions are now evident in all their gruesome glory.

We will never have decent governance all the time the government is tearing itself apart.

That is one major off-put with the voting public.

Has the Labour Party declared a truce yet?, the factions there are every bit problematic .

Katie59

Whitewavemark2

One major issue with the Tories, which causes the chaos we are witnessing and such poor policy making is the continual fighting between the factions.

There was a truce called in 2019 to sort out the Brexit issue, but the divisions are now evident in all their gruesome glory.

We will never have decent governance all the time the government is tearing itself apart.

That is one major off-put with the voting public.

Has the Labour Party declared a truce yet?, the factions there are every bit problematic .

I think if you look carefully that party discipline has been firmly installed by Starmer - who if you remember has cleared the deck of Corbyn and his cronies.

Starmer is quick in acting if a minister disagrees publicly with party policy - look at Jess Philips - now back on the back benches, and Asher Ali - the Rochdale candidate - Starmer withdrew support even though it meant that Labour would lose Rochdale.

Starmer is known for his strength.

Compare that with the Tories who are regularly publishing newspaper articles saying how useless Sunak and his policies are, or even standing up in parliament criticising party policy.

Even the only mayor elected made sure that he didn’t at any stage wear a Tory rosette.

Discipline doesn’t exist.

Casdon

I can’t see votes changing in favour of the Tories, it’s too late for their fortunes to be turned. What the elections on Thursday have proved is that whatever happens next, the Tories aren’t going to win the next election. I haven’t seen any political pundits suggest that. If people don’t vote Labour they will either not vote, or vote for any other option except Tory.

I can't see any Palestinian supporter (or anybody who feels strongly about stopping the war) voting Conservative either. However, the danger to Labour would be if a "Galloway candidate" stood and took a significant number of votes from Labour, which could let the Conservatives in by the back door.

Reform is likely to do the reverse to the Conservatives.

Starmer is known for his strength.
That's good, but can he show us some concrete evidence how he will bring about radical change on the bigger issues? All I've heard about is his piffly VAT on private school fees which we all know he will implement, thank you very much. I want to hear about HOW he will achieve everything else.

Just heard on the news (brief news bulletin) that Sunak is going to continue to deliver to the British people...

It all appears to rest on the Rwanda 'initiative'.

I’m hoping Starmer gets a large enough majority so that he can ignore his own trouble makers, they are quiet for now, it won’t last long.

growstuff

Casdon

I can’t see votes changing in favour of the Tories, it’s too late for their fortunes to be turned. What the elections on Thursday have proved is that whatever happens next, the Tories aren’t going to win the next election. I haven’t seen any political pundits suggest that. If people don’t vote Labour they will either not vote, or vote for any other option except Tory.

I can't see any Palestinian supporter (or anybody who feels strongly about stopping the war) voting Conservative either. However, the danger to Labour would be if a "Galloway candidate" stood and took a significant number of votes from Labour, which could let the Conservatives in by the back door.

Reform is likely to do the reverse to the Conservatives.

I understand what you’re saying, but I’m unconvinced that Galloway has much support in reality. He’s all mouth and no trousers.

growstuff yes

Galloway is Labour’s Bete Noir

Farage is the Tory’s.

But I suspect that Farage could cause more damage if he has a mind to.

Dickens

Just heard on the news (brief news bulletin) that Sunak is going to continue to deliver to the British people...

It all appears to rest on the Rwanda 'initiative'.

So far 1 person has flown to Rwanda.

He was a failed asylum seeker who was due to be deported, but instead the Tories persuaded him to fly to Rwanda with £3000 in his pocket and the promise to house, feed and provide medical care for 5 years the total cost will be in excess of £150k.

Galloway is a throughly nasty piece of work - amongst other matters, he is homophobic, (ref, Mail, Guardian, Independent) which won't go down well with the left of the L party.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/george-galloway-labour-rochdale-parliament-celebrity-big-brother-b2505146.html

He's dodgy on Ukraine as well
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-galloway-uk-moscow-attack-isis-obama-russia-b2519381.html

Yes there are divisions in both parties

Meanwhile Ms Braverman is calling for the U.K. to become an outlier alongside Russia and Belarus and leave the human rights convention.

Shades of Trump.

Wyllow3

Galloway is a throughly nasty piece of work - amongst other matters, he is homophobic, (ref, Mail, Guardian, Independent) which won't go down well with the left of the L party.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/george-galloway-labour-rochdale-parliament-celebrity-big-brother-b2505146.html

He's dodgy on Ukraine as well
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/george-galloway-uk-moscow-attack-isis-obama-russia-b2519381.html

Yes there are divisions in both parties

Not sure how your post leads to your conclusion?

Whitewavemark2

Compare that with the Tories who are regularly publishing newspaper articles saying how useless Sunak and his policies are, or even standing up in parliament criticising party policy.

Even the only mayor elected made sure that he didn’t at any stage wear a Tory rosette.

Discipline doesn’t exist.

Ben Houchen even canvassed without mentioning the Conservative party on his leaflets. I know because I live in the area. He is obviously ambitious and sees the Conservative government as holding him back.

I think Wyllow is right, Galloway was saying the other day that he is in negotiations with ‘several’ . Labour MPs to defect to his party.
If that happens I doubt Starmer will shed any tears though, because they are better out than in. I just hope if they are going they have the balls to do it now before the candidates for the election are finalised. To be fair, I hope that any Tories planning to defect to Reform do the same thing, so that everybody who is voting knows exactly who they are voting for.