Just stop oil protesters

RosiesMaw

^They may have walked or cycled there. If they used public transport that is more environmentally sound than using a car^
They may indeed have walked or cycled MaizieD or perhaps scooted or ridden on donkeys in which case I assume they set off in plenty of time as one (the retired vicar) lives in Bristol and the other, in Swansea.
In which case I have to applaud their tenacity while decrying their misguided hooliganism

I was wondering how long it took them.

They could, of course, have electric cars which begs the questions
How was the electricity produced?
Did they have to recharge the batteries on the way, if so, how was the electricity produced at the charging point?
Where was the lithium mined for the batteries and how does sustainable and environmentally friendly is lithium mining?

After production, electric vehicles have far lower carbon emissions than gas-powered vehicles. However, the process to mine, refine and assemble EVs, particularly their batteries, is environmentally damaging. According to a report by MIT’s Climate Lab, one ton of mined lithium emits nearly 15 tons of CO2. According to the same report, burning the fossil fuels required to manufacture lithium or EV batteries contributes to high levels of CO2 emissions.

A recent investigation by the Howard Center found that the brining process, used to extract lithium hidden in saltwater, uses hundreds of millions of gallons of fresh water per year. Over-pumping groundwater can not only decrease source levels, but also damage surrounding aquifers and can cause fissures in the ground.

They could have ridden on horses, the horses producing useful manure en route. As well as methane, of course.

It's not the first time the Reverend has caused trouble and alleged criminal damage.

There must be a better way for two intelligent 🤔 women to bring this to the sympathetic attention of governments and the public than by causing criminal damage which just alienates people.

MaizieD

Freya5

MaizieD

Let's get this right. They didn't smash the glass.

They attempted to smash the glass, which is clearly reinforced because it is protecting a significant historical document.

Oh that's OK then!!

I was merely pointing out that their action was not as sensational as implied in the OP and didn't merit some of the rather hysterical responses. Magna Carta was never in any real danger.

That is not the point!

MaizieD

^If you are going to use vandalism to, potential destroy priceless historic assets, then I think it is reasonable to ask to what extent you are living the life you profess to want us all to live.^

If they don't use Gnet how do you propose to elicit this information?

This would be something for the News media to do.

Oh, not the suffragettes again. Much of their vandalism provoked hostility and earned then considerable opprobrium; it was ultimately the suffragists' tactics, ceasing hostilities and working steadfastly throughout the war , that earned them the vote.

How ironic would it have been had they then vandalised that priceless historical document? The actual charter which was pivotal in gaining freedom & autonomy for the common man!

Nicenanny3

Well I've decided I don't want to stop oil, I want to burn it 🔥 I want to go on as many short/ long haul flights ✈️ to lovely places 🌴 as I can afford before I pop my clogs and drive all around the UK and Europe in my camper.

You go girl! 🚗🛵🚝🚃🚂✈️🛳🛥🚁🛸⛵️

I'd like to come with you please 😀

eazybee

Oh, not the suffragettes again. Much of their vandalism provoked hostility and earned then considerable opprobrium; it was ultimately the suffragists' tactics, ceasing hostilities and working steadfastly throughout the war , that earned them the vote.

They still contributed. I know all about the suffragists, too.

Take the cost out of their pensions!! Silly women 🙄

keepcalmandcavachon

How ironic would it have been had they then vandalised that priceless historical document? The actual charter which was pivotal in gaining freedom & autonomy for the common man!

It wasn't pivotable for the common man at all. It was freedom from the tyranny of the crown for the aristocracy. They didn't give a monkeys for ''the common man'.

There won't be any 'freedom' for the protesters, either. They'll be prosecuted and get prison sentences.

'pivotal'

Daft old things, they probably think they’re very daring and enjoyed causing a stir.Bet all they get is a slap on the wrist and a fine and that’s all good as I just bet they would love a spell in clink.I’d have left them glued there for a day.

MaizieD

keepcalmandcavachon

How ironic would it have been had they then vandalised that priceless historical document? The actual charter which was pivotal in gaining freedom & autonomy for the common man!

It wasn't pivotable for the common man at all. It was freedom from the tyranny of the crown for the aristocracy. They didn't give a monkeys for ''the common man'.

There won't be any 'freedom' for the protesters, either. They'll be prosecuted and get prison sentences.

There won't be any 'freedom' for the protesters, either. They'll be prosecuted and get prison sentences.

You don't honestly believe that do you?
Most of the young who have damaged property haven't served prison sentences, the chance of two 80something women being sent to prison are less than my chance of winning the lottery.

*the chances

eazybee

Oh, not the suffragettes again. Much of their vandalism provoked hostility and earned then considerable opprobrium; it was ultimately the suffragists' tactics, ceasing hostilities and working steadfastly throughout the war , that earned them the vote.

Oh, what a joy, someone realising that the Suffragettes were not the people who won us the vote. In fact they were opposed to universal franchise, and only wanted votes for women on the same terms as men then got the vote, ie votes for middle class women with college education, or owners of a property above a certain rateable value.

The movement was not democratic, it was run by the Pankhursts and a few close associates, who ejcted anyone who ever questioned their decisions. It was funded by wealthy people, who have no involvement in the movement but who wee friends of its leaders. It was a bit like all the shadowy organisations funding the Conservatives through shadowy organisations based n Tufton Street.

In the 1920s and 30s they allied themselves with the Fascist party, in the UK and looked kindly on fascist governments in Europe.

I was delighted to discover recently, that this was the history taught to my DGD in school.

RosiesMaw

Nicenanny3

Well I've decided I don't want to stop oil, I want to burn it 🔥 I want to go on as many short/ long haul flights ✈️ to lovely places 🌴 as I can afford before I pop my clogs and drive all around the UK and Europe in my camper.

You go girl! 🚗🛵🚝🚃🚂✈️🛳🛥🚁🛸⛵️

Well, having missed the Northern Lights last night I might have to cruise/fly to see them as they're on my bucket list.

I have long suspected that the same protesters turn up at every demonstration regardless of the cause, whether it is the Black Lives Matter brigade, Just Stop Oil, or the latest Palestinian mob.

I think I may be right as I read the other day that the annoying little Greta Thunberg joined those protesting about the Israeli girl’s participation in the Eurovision Song Contest.

She’s 21 now. Does she work? I guess not as she presumably has to catch up on the education missed while she was travelling the world telling everyone where they were going wrong.

She is good value though. I absolutely loved the expression on her angry little face when she caught sight of Donald Trump once at some event or other!

I think Greta Thunberg is horrible. She has a permanent scowl on her face and only looks pleased when she’s being arrested. I do my best to ignore her.

She certainly is annoying!
I have got no problem whatsoever with further licenses being granted for gas and oil exploration as it’s now been accepted that we will need both for many decades to come.

Anyway if she and the other protesters were genuine about their cause they would focus on countries which are the ‘worst’ offenders like China and India, and the US.
That won’t happen though. Far less effort to go for the easy targets.

Even if we make transport carbohydrate free, oil will still be needed to make plastics, drugs and a host of everyday articles.

But net zero has nothing to do with whether we use gas and oil, but rather that we keep production to a minimum and have measures in place to mitigate the emissions.

That is why targets always talk about net emissions

To be fair -altho I admit it wasn’t a great thing to do - it made me laugh that it was two old ladies instead of young people. And the expert they had on the news said something that while it wasn’t good he supported their cause and thought we needed mass action. Good for him!!!!

Sorry, 'carbohydrate' should read 'hydrocarbon'

I would be much happier if instead of just stamping their feet like spoiled children these groups put forward clearly thought out and costed alternative policies.

I am involved in a group trying to stop a specific infrastructure development in our area (no further detail because identifying the infrastructure, would identify the group. Over 20 years our opposition, including a Public Inquiry has been successful because we have been able to employ experts and draw on the expertise of members to put forward cogent reasons why the development shouldn't go ahead and how the need for it can be met through practical and cheaper costed alternatives.

These Just Stop Oil protests have wealthy people behind them who can put up the money to do the same and the group can also fund raise among their membership.

Oh Jennifer Eccles, I so agree with you.
'Annoying little Greta Thunberg'.
Sums her up exactly.
I shall cherish that phrase.

p.s.
Thanks, MOnica.

Do you think that theJust Stop Oil movement encouraged these two women to do what they did because it will lead people to look at them and just see them as two silly old dears and sigh and not realise that they are just as much vandals as if they had been 2 20 year old students.