The 7th rebrand in 18 months - is this one any better?

People using private schools SAVE the government money by not taking up state school places.

Interesting idea. Like people using private health care are saving money and infact being terribly kind?

People who ride bikes or walk or use buses are actually thinking of the environment and being super helpful?

The representation of State Schools here is very negative from some. Many have excellent results.

Germanshepherdsmum

They may have been doing it for some time. The child may be coming up to A levels next year. That’s not being dumb, it’s being able to afford something today the price of which shoots up by 20% tomorrow. Being unable to find an extra 20% is far from having a small margin of financial flexibility.

I agree, I have no axe to grind and have four children who went to a variety of schools in both sectors.
Imagine being half way through either GCSE's or A-levels and having to change schools and possibly exam boards. Or having been studying for the IB which I doubt you can take at a state school?
As you've said, there's nothing wrong with using state schools, but if people have spent everything they can afford to use a private school, for whatever reason, it is not fair to suddenly up the cost by 20%. People using private schools SAVE the government money by not taking up state school places.

I don't see why rich people should access ( possibly) better education. And poorer people be left with the dregs. Teachers bringing in food, clothes ,even washing children.

All this talk of choice. There is no real choice for many. Sink schools or stay at home.

I still support “choice”, if you choose and can afford private education, private tutors, private healthcare, that is your choice, just be prepared to pay the full wack! Absolutely no reason for independent schools to have “charitable” status any more, they are a business! Even state school academy trusts are now run like businesses.

westendgirl

What is wrong with sending your child to the state school? They will stand a better chance of getting in to Oxford / Cambridge, they will get a sound education and learn how to get on with a good variety of people. They should grow up without feeling entitled. Parents need to play their part.., however .
Just because a school is private it does not mean it is better than the state school down the road.

Absolutely!! I have experience of both at Primary level, better education no, smaller classes yes, more opportunities definitely, better teachers and teaching, very much varied. The school my eldest child attended was a proper prep school, most kids went into boarding school, mainly minor public schools, a few like my son went to our excellent local grammar.

Both my god children attended minor public schools. Did it make a difference to their chosen profession? Absolutely not, one trained to be a children’s nurse, the other attended Oxford Brooks, a former Poly, to study hospitality and catering, my own son also did law there, no advantages to either god children.

Germanshepherdsmum

If I were to say what I think about the six point plan I would be banned. Are people really that gullible?

I feel the same.

Germanshepherdsmum

There is nothing wrong with sending your child to a state school. I was educated in state schools, so was my son. However if you want to give your child a private education (and there are certainly advantages when it comes to some of the professions), then it is wrong of any government to suddenly make that unaffordable by pushing the fees up 20% with the consequence that the child has to be withdrawn from their school. What was Angela Rayner repeating endlessly last week? ‘We’ve got your back’. I don’t think so.

Angela Rayner has the back of the 92%, and should they opt to go to state school instead, also of the 8%.

LizzieDrip

Pot and kettle come to mind GSM!

😂😂😂😂😂

However if you want to give your child a private education (and there are certainly advantages when it comes to some of the professions),

Oh, really? And what professions would those be?

Really you are expecting us to feel sorry for people who you think won't be able to afford to buy advantage for their children. Well, I don't think you'll find many takers for that... The concept of buying privilege is somewhat abhorrent to a great many people. Especially when they consider some of the 'privileged'....

There is nothing wrong with sending your child to a state school. I was educated in state schools, so was my son. However if you want to give your child a private education (and there are certainly advantages when it comes to some of the professions), then it is wrong of any government to suddenly make that unaffordable by pushing the fees up 20% with the consequence that the child has to be withdrawn from their school. What was Angela Rayner repeating endlessly last week? ‘We’ve got your back’. I don’t think so.

Ha, ha!

Lizzie Drip
You said ‘Let them go to state schools like everybody else’. Everybody in a state school=no private/public schools.

What is wrong with sending your child to the state school? They will stand a better chance of getting in to Oxford / Cambridge, they will get a sound education and learn how to get on with a good variety of people. They should grow up without feeling entitled. Parents need to play their part.., however .
Just because a school is private it does not mean it is better than the state school down the road.

They need to take more notice of what the British public want rather than what their donors want.

I think that, at the moment, the British public want a government that isn't mired in sleaze and corruption.

We absolutely know that every single party will have a corrupt or sleazy individual or two in ts ranks, but the tory party over the past few years has had far more than any reasonable person could expect in a governing party.

The British people, in polling, by elections and local elections have made it absolutely crystal clear that they don't want the current government to continue in power.

The Labour Party has wanted to get rid of independent schools for years. They talked the other day of not being the old LP. It’s still alive and well.

LizzieDrip

^because some cannot afford to send their children/grandchildren to private/public school, nobody should^

Please tell me where, on this thread, this assertion has been made.

We’ve moved into fantasy land I think, nobody said that. I really don’t get why we should feel sorry for parents who have budgeted inadequately for their child to go through private school while at the same time saying that children whose parents can’t afford to pay for it shouldn’t be able to get their teeth straightened on the NHS.

because some cannot afford to send their children/grandchildren to private/public school, nobody should

Please tell me where, on this thread, this assertion has been made.

Yes, GG, it’s entirely predictable.

Granny gravy
Absolutely!

It's hard to understand what is keeping the Tories going at the moment. The public have lost all faith in them, they have shown themselves incompetent in every field.
I do think the Labour party needs to stabilise before they can be ready for a General Election. At the moment, we wouldn't be any better off with them in control. They need to take more notice of what the British public want rather than what their donors want.
This is the dilemma of our current system and why it needs to be changed.

because some cannot afford to send their children/grandchildren to private/public school, nobody should

I am absolutely not saying that. I am saying that parents will have the choice!

This thread is taking the predictable route of

because some cannot afford to send their children/grandchildren to private/public school, nobody should

it’s being able to afford something today the price of which shoots up by 20% tomorrow

You mean like what happened to millions of home owners when Liz Truss trashed the economy - except they’ve had to find much more than £3.5k per year extra!

Average annual fees for a UK day school of £16,656 per year would rise to nearly £20,000 if VAT was added in full.

If someone can afford to pay over £16k per year then they can probably find an extra £3.5k. Their choice! A single mother on UC, with one child, gets approx £8k per year. Who has the choices? Try putting yourself in the shoes of her child GSM.