The 7th rebrand in 18 months - is this one any better?

That’s Starmer the human rights lawyer …. Didn’t Chamberlain try talking? That did a lot of good.

Are you comparing the current leaders of European countries to Adolf Hitler!

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I do wonder if GSM says this to provoke or if she really believes that's a good idea. If so, why? Also, still waiting for a list of all the wonderful things that, apparently, have happened in the last few years

Me too!

This is worth a read 😊
www.bylinesupplement.com/p/re-inventing-rishi-again?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=1162849&post_id=144717592&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=false&r=z1ogq&triedRedirect=true&utm_medium=email

I prefer unbiased reporting Pepine. We can all find something which chimes with our own views.

And if something doesn’t chime with our own views we can dismiss it out of hand GSM!

Completely agree with GSM

Germanshepherdsmum

I prefer unbiased reporting Pepine. We can all find something which chimes with our own views.

I read it as spoof or "Private eye" article, which is why Pepine sent it with a 🙂.

Camille333

Labour will stop Rwanda altogether,their alternative is talk to Europe!!!

Their alternative is to work with Europe. There is no other way.

Do you really think that any European country will accept a return of asylum seekers without a quid pro quo? Maybe a requirement that we accept some of their asylum seekers or other problem people? We don’t need talking, we need action - and Rwanda is already proving to be a deterrent. Starmer would scrap it and replace it with his human rights lawyer appeasement tactics.

Yes, Wyllow, you're probably right.
Goodness me, GSM, 'unbiased reporting'??? Where on earth are you going to find that! There are agendas and vested interests everywhere. The media is funded by billionaires who only want certain things reported, and as for the BBC... Dream on!

I look at the source of the report - that tells me whether the reporter has an agenda. It means being aware and not believing everything.

Germanshepherdsmum

Do you really think that any European country will accept a return of asylum seekers without a quid pro quo? Maybe a requirement that we accept some of their asylum seekers or other problem people? We don’t need talking, we need action - and Rwanda is already proving to be a deterrent. Starmer would scrap it and replace it with his human rights lawyer appeasement tactics.

The answer doesn’t lie in deporting asylum seekers, it lies in stopping them migrating to Europe in the first place. The UK can’t do that alone, there has to be a Europe-wide approach.

undines

It seems to me that the Conservatives are cornered rats and thus dangerous to people in this country who need to be cared for by the State. I think they will 'please' their committed section of the electorate by draconian policies that will hurt certain vulnerable members of the public - and not only do I believe they do not care, I think they actively want those people to go off and die - which they will, either fairly quickly, through malnutrition, or more slowly through debilitating depression, leading to chronic disease etc. There is too much talk of 'benefit cheats' which is the usual rallying cry of committed Tories. I am not bothered about these 'cheats' nearly as much as I am about the many millions cost to the tax-payer by misbehaving bankers. I have a personal stake in this as my youngest son is autistic and unable to work, even though he seems very fit - I can see a case being made to take away his benefit, which will put even more pressure on me, at 73, and still working full time. So, to answer the question, the rebranding, depending on its nature (which I know nothing of) could work a little bit, if it further consolidates the usual hard-liners. I doubt if Labour will be any better, anyway. I don't get the impression that kindness and care for the vulnerable are high on the public agenda anywhere - but then that is just 'my impression'.

I think you've been reading, and swallowing, too many conspiracy theories from the Morning Star.

I do think the current government works on the politics of negative perception of those in most need and Undines describes how she and many feel, and why.

To negate these experiences (which are shared by many, or similar ones in terms of disability) and label them conspiracy theories from the communist party -

is this really necessary?

CvD66

This week the PM limply tried to present the Tory party as the only party capable of defending the UK against future foreign threats. After 14 years of collapsing international relations, they have done little to prevent such threats developing, so where’s the evidence they have the wherewithal to build a different future? Within hours of this latest speech, the Tories had a mass breach of personal data! As the party who can’t even stop the little boats bringing refugees into the UK, how can they possibly think we will believe them?

You’ve nailed it!

I really don’t think things will be better under Starmer but then hopefully, they won’t be worse. Instinctively someone with a ‘Sir’ in front of their name doesn’t sit well as a leader of a Labour Party but I suppose that is my bias and if he does, contrary to expectation, do well, I will revise my opinion.

My grandad was a true working class man. He was a boilermaker in the dockyards. Even so he would never vote labour because as he said "they spend all the money"

I think you've been reading, and swallowing, too many conspiracy theories from the Morning Star

Freya5 what an unkind, inappropriate response to undines post. She clearly shares her own personal experience of the issue she’s discussing. To dismiss this as ‘conspiracy theory’ is totally uncalled for. God forbid that you’re ever in a vulnerable situation requiring support!

Freya5, you don't rate the Morning Star newspaper as a reliable source. Is there a 'British' newspaper that you would recommend to us as being unbiased and truthful?

Faierynan, presumably the Labour your Father spoke of spent 'all the money' on social projects. What have these Tories in power now spent the money on?

Freya5

undines

It seems to me that the Conservatives are cornered rats and thus dangerous to people in this country who need to be cared for by the State. I think they will 'please' their committed section of the electorate by draconian policies that will hurt certain vulnerable members of the public - and not only do I believe they do not care, I think they actively want those people to go off and die - which they will, either fairly quickly, through malnutrition, or more slowly through debilitating depression, leading to chronic disease etc. There is too much talk of 'benefit cheats' which is the usual rallying cry of committed Tories. I am not bothered about these 'cheats' nearly as much as I am about the many millions cost to the tax-payer by misbehaving bankers. I have a personal stake in this as my youngest son is autistic and unable to work, even though he seems very fit - I can see a case being made to take away his benefit, which will put even more pressure on me, at 73, and still working full time. So, to answer the question, the rebranding, depending on its nature (which I know nothing of) could work a little bit, if it further consolidates the usual hard-liners. I doubt if Labour will be any better, anyway. I don't get the impression that kindness and care for the vulnerable are high on the public agenda anywhere - but then that is just 'my impression'.

I think you've been reading, and swallowing, too many conspiracy theories from the Morning Star.

I suspect that undines, in common with most of our age group, don't include The Morning Star in their media selection and, if we ever did, stopped reading it decades ago.

Her view of the current party in power may not be mine, but it's no more conspiratorial than the frequent accusations made against the current Labour party.

The Tories are under threat of losing their seats, and they most certainly are casting around for votes, and both they and those with vested interests will quite naturally try to disparage those with the least representation - those on benefits either through sickness or disability, or through unemployment... because they are a constant in the right-wing media, wheeled out whenever the public appears to be dithering about the future economic welfare of the country.

In the same way that others immediately latch onto bankers' bonuses and the rich 'not paying their taxes', etc.

The reality of course is a lot more complex. There are benefit scroungers and there are those who, quite legally, can avoid paying their taxes. But this is down to the economic system of Capitalism and the way it functions. As much as it can lift people out of poverty, it can also condemn them to it. Neither is a conspiracy, it's how it works.

There's no guarantee a change of Government will make things any better. We have to hope, because the current lot are making things worse all the time. I wont hold my breath though.

Presently 6 pages of comments, most fed up with the Tories sinking into a self-administered quicksand, and rightly so. Any party whose members actually selected the serial incompetent and charisma-free zone called Liz Truss to be PM deserves a spell on the naughty step.

BUT --- let NOBODY have any great faith in what follows. We've seen this before, Tories gradually fall apart, the voters boot them out, Labour get in, big burst of enthusiasm, then sooner or later the voters decide THEY TOO are incompetent, and/or too interested in party and self to put us first, and the next set of Tories gets ushered in the Westminster revolving door.

Attlee didn't last that long (one and a bit terms), Wilson & Callaghan were such a hit with their union supporters that a couple of million of them voted with their wallets for the wretched Thatcher, and the lovely Bliar gave us those 2 pointless wars that have blighted the Middle East (& in follow-on terrorist activity, much of Europe) ever since. I'd suggest his role as Special UN Envoy to the Middle-east didn't pan out that well, though he did resign well before the present chaos.

So, depressing as it may be, don't get your hopes up?!!

Well, oh cynical one, let's not forget that, despite these changes, some of these governments managed to do excellent things.

Opinions might differ as to what was, and what wasn't, excellent, but implying that all we get is bad results is tediously negative...