The 7th rebrand in 18 months - is this one any better?

MaizieD

Well, oh cynical one, let's not forget that, despite these changes, some of these governments managed to do excellent things.

Opinions might differ as to what was, and what wasn't, excellent, but implying that all we get is bad results is tediously negative...

Reading post after post saying well its all hopeless forget it - good has been done, can be done, changes can be made. they wmay be very small, but giving up isnt an option either - it just hands power over to a smaller and smaller number of people (who we then castigate for being "unrepresented")

The private school issue isn’t about finance it’s about idealism because more state school places will be needed for those that drop out of private schools, increase in tax collected will be a lot less than they think

That aside I’m am expecting that the parents that send children to private school will find a way of avoiding VAT

That aside I’m am expecting that the parents that send children to private school will find a way of avoiding VAT

Very socially minded of them … wouldn’t expect anything else!

Some may be able to afford the extra 20%, others not. The ones who suffer are the children who have to leave their school, because their parents have scrimped and saved as much as they can but can’t afford any more - but Labour doesn’t give a damn about them or their humiliation.

I have one DIL with 4 children at school who dodges the private school issue completely, they all go to the local school and she pays for private tuition.
So the kids get the best of both worlds, parents that care about doing the best for their children are always going to find ways of helping them, despite a poor state system.
They couldn’t care less about idealism

The ones who suffer are the children who have to leave their school, because their parents have scrimped and saved as much as they can but can’t afford any more - but Labour doesn’t give a damn about them or their humiliation

They’ll just have to go to the state school like everybody else!

Casdon

Camille333

Labour will stop Rwanda altogether,their alternative is talk to Europe!!!

Their alternative is to work with Europe. There is no other way.

We have been working with Europe and of course we are part of Europe, that didn’t end when we left the EU.
Nothing so far works.

Amalegra

The Tories can’t even police our streets properly. They can’t control the outpourings of hate being levelled towards our Jewish citizens. They can’t stop those who openly advocate for Hamas and other terrorist groups. Even ‘Our’ BBC, our ‘National Broadcaster’, can’t be directed to call a spade a spade! ‘Our’ NHS (which according to Jeremy Hunt makes us proud to be British!) can’t be told to sack those who seek to harass whistleblowers. All these egregious wrongs should be within the remit of a strong government to control. To ask them to actually defend this country is expecting far too much! But I wonder if Starmer and his motley crew will be any better?

We can only hope!

LizzieDrip

^The ones who suffer are the children who have to leave their school, because their parents have scrimped and saved as much as they can but can’t afford any more - but Labour doesn’t give a damn about them or their humiliation^

They’ll just have to go to the state school like everybody else!

Such compassion.

Pot and kettle come to mind GSM!

LizzieDrip
What a nasty spiteful remark! Incidentally, not everyone else necessarily goes to a state school and nor will they if Starmer goes ahead with this policy. The ones who end up in a state school will be those from lower income families who can no longer afford the fees. Still, it’ll prevent them getting areas above their station, I suppose.

God forbid that we should promote a system of equality rather than one based on parental income and privilege😱

God forbid that we should promote a system of choice, either!

There will still be choice.

Katie590

The private school issue isn’t about finance it’s about idealism because more state school places will be needed for those that drop out of private schools, increase in tax collected will be a lot less than they think

That aside I’m am expecting that the parents that send children to private school will find a way of avoiding VAT

Completely agree with all you’ve stated here.

LizzieDrip

God forbid that we should promote a system of equality rather than one based on parental income and privilege😱

👏👏👏👏👏👏

Perhaps some should try putting themselves in the shoes of the children who will have to leave their school and their friends simply because Labour has added VAT to the fees their parents were, by making sacrifices, managing to afford. Talk about rubbing the children’s faces in the fact that their parents are not as well off as their friends’ parents. Imagine also being the parent who has to tell their child they can no longer afford to pay the school fees. And imagine the bullying from the other children in their new state school, because children are cruel and will always pick on someone who they perceive to be different. All because Labour doesn’t like independent education and will do all in their power to crush it.

Imagine being so dumb that you send your child to private school with such a small margin of financial flexibility in your budget, in a cost of living crisis, post Brexit and post Covid and think you will ‘get away with it’ because we have a Tory Government though, how naive are parents who do that? This isn’t a new policy for Labour, and you didn’t need a huge brain to work out that they will get back into power after 14 years?

They may have been doing it for some time. The child may be coming up to A levels next year. That’s not being dumb, it’s being able to afford something today the price of which shoots up by 20% tomorrow. Being unable to find an extra 20% is far from having a small margin of financial flexibility.

Average annual fees for a UK day school of £16,656 per year would rise to nearly £20,000 if VAT was added in full.

If someone can afford to pay over £16k per year then they can probably find an extra £3.5k. Their choice! A single mother on UC, with one child, gets approx £8k per year. Who has the choices? Try putting yourself in the shoes of her child GSM.

it’s being able to afford something today the price of which shoots up by 20% tomorrow

You mean like what happened to millions of home owners when Liz Truss trashed the economy - except they’ve had to find much more than £3.5k per year extra!

This thread is taking the predictable route of

because some cannot afford to send their children/grandchildren to private/public school, nobody should

because some cannot afford to send their children/grandchildren to private/public school, nobody should

I am absolutely not saying that. I am saying that parents will have the choice!

It's hard to understand what is keeping the Tories going at the moment. The public have lost all faith in them, they have shown themselves incompetent in every field.
I do think the Labour party needs to stabilise before they can be ready for a General Election. At the moment, we wouldn't be any better off with them in control. They need to take more notice of what the British public want rather than what their donors want.
This is the dilemma of our current system and why it needs to be changed.

Granny gravy
Absolutely!