ICJ seeks arrest warrant for Netanyahu and others for war crimes.

I watched it and it was a difficult watch. There will of course be orphans, sadly during war. Whether Palestinian or Israeli (or Ukrainian) children will be scarred by what they have witnessed. The little five year old girl, who is now in Italy receiving treatment, will never forget losing her family, killed in a bomb explosion, nor will the four year old Israeli girl who saw both her parents murdered in front of her and was then taken hostage, and is now released.

What was quite chilling was that the little Palestinian girl declared that her father is now a martyr. Brain washing begins early in Gaza.

If the little ones taken from their cribs and raped survived this
brutality, how do they regard man

Yes I watched it. Harrowing 😣

Anyone watch the Dispatches
Programme about Gaza last night. There’s a new acronym being used WCNSF. Stand for Wounded child no surviving family. How does anyone think these children will regard Israel as they grow up. The next generation of Hamas is being created by Israels actions.

Good point about Iran Wyllow.

International factors also at play include Israel being geographically a key player against Iran. The US - after failed on the ground interventions in Iraq and Afghanistan - regards Israel as a stronghold in the area and no doubt support for arms funding is for these international concerns.

Th current state of affairs is up on "breaking news" on I player.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/live/world-middle-east-69068028

Wyllow3

Other governments are refusing to get directly involved however, instead offering to take part in international solutions, and contributing to aid.

There is absolutely no doubt though that Israel is foolishly loosing support.

This would never have happened imo if they had a less hard right government in the form of Netanyahu and cronies, because the strategy would have been very different.

Other governments are refusing to get directly involved however, instead offering to take part in international solutions, and contributing to aid.

The other short term fact is that the young vote in the USA will almost certainly be lost by Biden if what is happening on the streets and universities is translated into votes.

People think the once a week protest is bad in the U.K., but you need to look into Europe and the Americas to understand what is happening to public opinion over the Israeli/Gaza war.

maddyone

^the colonial settler state^

A straight question Whitewave.
Should the Israelis be allowed to have their own state of Israel?

And another straight question.
What is to be done about the hostages?

Yes very much Israel have a state!

Genuine question - but should Palestine have their own state of Palestine?

But the problematic - what boundaries? As originally under the 1948 boundaries or including land now settled since 1967?

I don't have The answers, btw, except to say as I did above that Netanyahu has to provide a road map soon as part of any look at the future.

The hostages - should be returned immediately!
Holding onto them as well as humanitarian reasons prolongs hostilities.

Listen folks - I’m not saying that I agree SA, but what I’m posting is the way attitudes are changing as a result of Israeli/Hamas actions.

Look at the statements being issued by Jordan, Egypt and others. Never mind the rest of the world.

What we think will have zero influence, but that is not true of the major players - particularly those surrounding Israel.

I would like to see a two state solution, but at the moment I think that is as far away as it ever was.

I can’t see Israel as the colonial settler state

foxie
Palestinians already live as full citizens of Israel and are afforded all the same rights as Jewish citizens of Israel.
Also Christians live in Israel as full citizens of the state of Israel.

the colonial settler state

A straight question Whitewave.
Should the Israelis be allowed to have their own state of Israel?

And another straight question.
What is to be done about the hostages?

Whitewavemark2 if you do a quick search or Smotrich and Ben -Givr, it is very clear what their objectives are, in their own words! They want a state with laws based on the Torah, Palestinians can either leave, live under their subjugation or a shahid ie die for their cause. Smotrich is deeply homophobic and organised a beast march of donkeys and cows at the same time as the Israeli Gay Pride march. They clearly have links with Ultra orthodox terrorist groups, Ben Givr is the go to guy if anyone is caught for terrorist activities, was linked to the assassination of Rabin and was active in, the now outlawed, Kach and Kahane Chai party. He was once arrested on suspected terrorism with 700 litres of gasoline. I could go on. They are thoroughly nasty vile people and they are presently calling the tune in Israel so that Netanyahu can stay in power and avoid prison.

Well that's neither right in my mind - nor possible.

In the long term, unless a government in Israel is committed to long term military occupation of Gaza, I see an internationally negotiated 2 state solution as the only way forward.

Atm Netanyahu is not committing (as far as I can read to any "road map" ahead).

There are considerable political tensions within Israel, I cant see a long term military occupation with thousands of IDF permanently committed as being viable.

The Abraham Accords are wrecked.

“Here is Saudi Foreign Minister Faisal bin Farhan Al-Saud finally pulling HR finger out, here actually applying international law to the rogue state of Israel:

“Israel doesn’t get to decide whether the Palestinians have a right to self-determination. This is something that is enshrined in the United Nations charter… it is also a founding principle of the UN decision to found Israel.”

Note that the colonial settler state Israel never honored their founding resolution to the international community in 1948 and proceeded to steal Palestinian land and carry out ethnic cleansing of the native Palestinian population. This is why to this day Israel does not even have declared borders, nor does it have a constitution - for the simple reason that they want to “exercise their option” to continue running their pogrom and to steal more land from Palestinians, Lebanon, Syria, and ultimately Egypt and Jordan too - as part of ‘Greater Israel’.

If this were adjudicated fairly, then if Palestine does not have ‘a right to exist’ or a state, then neither should the ethno-religious exclusionary state of Israel. Hence, the two state solution is DOA, which gives us the only viable long-term solution, but one which requires the most courage & faith by all parties - a One State Solution - a normal state where everyone regardless of race, religion or ethnicity lives equally under a constitution. But that means the current Zionist entity must be dissolved and reformed along with Palestine into something new. It’s either that or more instability, killing, and endless wars.

The decision is yours.”

I’m not offended maddyone and as I posted up thread no one in real life or social media seem to have the answer as to bringing these innocent people home to their family.

That in my world would have been top of the list.

I know in real life that they haven’t been forgotten…at all…and til they are home and this mess is resolved they will be sharing centre stage with all the innocents who are being use as collateral damage.

Granniesunite

Those poor people should never have been taken in the first place and I’d think reading my posts it would be clear that I hate killing so using another human being to justify the ends so most certainly inhuman.

I pray for them and their families every day as I pray for peace in the world.

That’s all well and lovely and I bet all of us on here hate war and killing too.That doesn’t solve the problem does it?
The hard fact is that sometimes it’s necessary.It had to be done to stop the Nazis for a start.The Ukrainians have to try to stop Russia taking over.The Israelis have to root out hamas and deter all the other terrorist groups that surround them and who fire rockets at them just about daily.

Maddy 👏👏👏👏

I’m sorry Granniesunite, actually I pray too, but I’m acutely aware that my prayers and the prayers of others are not being answered. I’m sorry if I offended you, I was just trying to get someone to say what’s to be done about the hostages, but in all of the posts on this and other threads, no one will say what should be done, and so I conclude that no one knows, and some (but not all) are able to disconnect from these hostages and not think much about them. Since my Jewish friend posts on Facebook nearly every day about getting them home, I am unable to forget about them (unless I don’t look at my Facebook page.)

I’d have loved to have seen them released of course but bigger brains than mine haven’t been able to do that.

Sorry maddyone I don’t have the answer to that and neither would it seem to be the case does anyone else.

Im sorry I mentioned the praying that’s usually private for me.

Report in Haaretz, the Israeli Jewish newspaper 28.05.24. Sadly, Netanyahu has never put the return of the hostages at the top of his priorities.

"The head of the Missing and Captive Soldiers Division in the IDF, Maj. Gen. (res.) Nitzan Alon, reportedly told the liaison officers of the families of abducted soldiers' that he is frustrated with the current situation and believes that "with this government lineup, there won't be a deal" - according to a report by Channel 12 News."

The attack on Israel was carried out by ? Palestinians obeying Hamas .