Dominic Cummings New Political Party!

There may well be an extreme right wing party emerge but it will only serve to show the mainstream Tories as moderates. They are highly unlikely to gain any MPs, the same would be true of extreme left wing politics, unless of course PR is introduced the nutters could hold the balance of power , as in Israel now.

MaizieD Cummings did all he did with all the authority of the Conservative party behind him. He no longer has that authority. He has been outed for his involvement in using these methods.

While I accept that the deep finance behind the Tufton Street think tanks may also be behind him, I think he has lost all credibility in the public eye.

I will now say something, I never thought I would say about anyone; his looks are also entirely against him, he looks like the villain from a cheap horror film and this combined with his known behaviour when working for Boris Johnson, means that no one will ever feel they can trust him.

Petra Thanks for the link, a fascinating read, especially after Cumming srecent remarks

MissAdventure

I think he's a repulsive individual, self serving, and I'm not surprised.

That’s what I think too.👍🏻

Your third paragraph Monica rang a bell with me as I recall the first time I saw him in No 10 after Boris triumphal result and thought he looked shifty!

I’m not normally one to judge a book by its cover and always go for substance over style but to me he’s seriously lacking in both departments!

Cummings did all he did with all the authority of the Conservative party behind him

The 'authority of the Conservative party' was not behind him when he directed the 'No' campaign against devolution in the NE, nor was it behind him when he directed the Vote Leave campaign.

M0nica

MaizieD Cummings did all he did with all the authority of the Conservative party behind him. He no longer has that authority. He has been outed for his involvement in using these methods.

While I accept that the deep finance behind the Tufton Street think tanks may also be behind him, I think he has lost all credibility in the public eye.

I will now say something, I never thought I would say about anyone; his looks are also entirely against him, he looks like the villain from a cheap horror film and this combined with his known behaviour when working for Boris Johnson, means that no one will ever feel they can trust him.

Petra Thanks for the link, a fascinating read, especially after Cumming srecent remarks

I will now say something, I never thought I would say about anyone; his looks are also entirely against him, he looks like the villain from a cheap horror film...

Perhaps not so much his looks as his expression? His expression which betrays his rather unpleasant character?

I think I read somewhere that he’s on the ‘spectrum’. Asperger maybe? Can’t remember. Anyway that would account for his ‘driven’ mentality. I’m not sure I trust him. However, in the light of the recent blood transfusion scandal report which illustrated how the Civil Servants and NHS England covered up the whole shocking pantomime then SOMETHING drastic needs to happen to shake down the rotten edifice. Maybe he has the drive and the focus to do things better and certainly with much more accountability.

MaizieD

^ but Farage is a far more astute political operator than Cummings and will chew him up like the potato crisp he is^.

I'm not sure that I would agree with that, MOnica. Cummings proved himself to be a very good manipulator who knew just the right tools to use to manipulate voters. He played a very instrumental role in obtaining the Leave vote for the campaign he worked for by exploiting the technology of Cambridge Analytica and the use of 'dark' advertising on social media. Of course he twas then on the same 'side as Farage. It would be interesting to see them in opposition.

OTOH he lacks the 'human touch' which Farage undoubtedly has; unless he could find another high profile useful idiot like Johnson to front his party I think that voters would be put off by his arrogant distaste for the greater part of the human race.

It was Barnard Castle, fancythat. A charming old Durham market town...

I too wouldn’t agree. Repulsive as he is, Cummings is undoubtedly an astute and manipulative man, he lacks the “charisma” of Farage and the followers but to me the two could be two peas in a pod!

Wouldn’t be in either camp, but interested to follow and see where it all leads.

I think Cummings is actually much more astute than Farage, whose talent lies in self publicity. Cummings is an arch manipulator - what surprised me about this move is that he came out in the open with it, when his normal modus operandi is behind the scenes. It wouldn’t have surprised me if a new party sprang up of which he was later revealed to be the mastermind.

The problem with Cummings is that he is a disrupter. His main idea is to take an existing situation, institution or whatever, toss it up in the air and see what comes down when it breaks into pieces. But he doesn't articulate any really clear vision of what is to be achieved by doing that. What is the outcome he is looking for?

This is exemplified by his looking on influencing people to vote to leave the EU more as an intellectual exercise, an experiment in manipulating mass opinion. He had no clear vision of what would happen once the vote went his way, no plan for how the UK could relocate itself in the world order and, frankly, absolutely no idea of how to counter all the problems which leaving the EU would cause. His sole goal was achieving success in the vote.

I think that this conclusion to the Byline Times piece sums him up

The clearest opinion on Cummings’ grasp of science comes from Dr Philip Ball, for 20 years an editor with the premier scientific journal Nature, commenting on Cummings’ recent blog-posted recruitment advert seeking data scientists to work on policy at Downing Street. Ball concludes:

“While to outsiders Cummings’ blog might seem like sheer geeky gobbledygook, the truth is that, for anyone familiar with this field, it reads more like the efforts of a rookie postgrad spouting a breathless stream of buzzwords and random citations, devoid of depth or context, in the hope of convincing his supervisor that he knows his stuff. I mean that as no disrespect to postgrad students, but at least they are not pulling the strings of the prime minister.”

“The sad thing is that, not only could some of these ideas be useful for good governance if imported with care, knowledge and wisdom, but also that there is plenty to be sympathetic towards in the suggestion that government and the civil service are not always the most meritocratic, dynamic, mathematically literate or up to date of public institutions. Yet it’s hard not to conclude that anyone tempted by this weird job advert is precisely the kind of person you wouldn’t want within a million miles of the levers of power and influence.”

All I can add is that surely by now the average person (if there is one) will run a mile from any new political party with Cummings at the helm. He won’t succeed. I can’t imagine anyone even agreeing to collaborate with him so it will remain a non starter. Even Richard Tice who is possibly more acceptable to the Uk electorate than Cummings has yet to get his first mp. So no chance Cummings!

Katie590

There may well be an extreme right wing party emerge but it will only serve to show the mainstream Tories as moderates. They are highly unlikely to gain any MPs, the same would be true of extreme left wing politics, unless of course PR is introduced the nutters could hold the balance of power , as in Israel now.

I dont call the Tories moderate. In my mind, rightly or wrongly, they are left wing.

I want a party of MPs of the ilk of Thatcher I think.
All seems a long time ago, so I may not be remembering her accurately.

If Cummings or whoever would emulate her, then a. I would not think that is extreme at all[no matter who would like to paint it so for whatever reason], and b. I would consider.

As I have written before, I am pretty much way past wanting to vote for any of the political parties nowadays. Have been a floating voter for ages. And will consider anyone and any party at this point.

Cummings or whoever, would have to form a Party. So not just him to consider.
I do think of him as slimy though, which doesnt help.

I think the Reform Party may suit you fancythat

I will see nearer the time. Thank you.
I wil look into them all[that is the Parties and the Leaders] more closely at that point.

Why hasnt Cummings joined Reform? No one need answer. I need to do some homework sometime.

Dickens

M0nica

MaizieD Cummings did all he did with all the authority of the Conservative party behind him. He no longer has that authority. He has been outed for his involvement in using these methods.

While I accept that the deep finance behind the Tufton Street think tanks may also be behind him, I think he has lost all credibility in the public eye.

I will now say something, I never thought I would say about anyone; his looks are also entirely against him, he looks like the villain from a cheap horror film and this combined with his known behaviour when working for Boris Johnson, means that no one will ever feel they can trust him.

Petra Thanks for the link, a fascinating read, especially after Cumming srecent remarks

I will now say something, I never thought I would say about anyone; his looks are also entirely against him, he looks like the villain from a cheap horror film...

Perhaps not so much his looks as his expression? His expression which betrays his rather unpleasant character?

Nosferato? Or Steerpike from Gormenghast perhaps….

fancythat Goodness me, current Tories left wing!! I’d say centralist perhaps, left wing NEVER!

fancythat

I will see nearer the time. Thank you.
I wil look into them all[that is the Parties and the Leaders] more closely at that point.

I’ll wager a guess that Cummings want to lead, not be a “bit” player?

You could well be right about Cummings.

Cummings might want to lead but how about the little people who have more sense than being led by him into the Valley of Death or something like that? Really best wake up- he’s not going to go anywhere. It’s not the era of the charge of the light brigade……

MayBee70

Nosferato? Or Steerpike from Gormenghast perhaps….

I bumped into his FIL at Chillingham Castle few years ago. At the time he just seemed like a harmless eccentric. There’s a programme on BBC Catchup called The Curious House guest in which someone stays with him at the castle. The last I heard of Cummings was that he was living on Lindisfarne. It would be interesting if Danny Boyle (who’s filming there soon) bumped into him. Or if, unbeknown to Boyle, Cummings got a part as an extra on the film ( I wouldn’t put that past him!).

I always think he looks like Duke, from the Doonesbury strip (this might be a bit esoteric) 😆

he reminds me of Gollum, from Lord of the Rings.