Anybody else who doesn't know who to vote for?

That remark is uncalled for Greyisnotmycolour! You don't have to agree with GSM but nasty personal remarks are unnecessary.

I'm undecided, but don't trust or like Starmer for the appalling way he has treated Rosie Duffield. He's stood by while she has been bullied and treated abominably by the party for believing in the sex based rights of women, and never given her any support at all. He just launched the Kent election campaign but Rosie, a Kent labour MP since 2010 wasn't invited! I don't trust him to protect women and their sex based rights. She's not my MP but how I wish she was! He's a self-serving coward in my book.

Well GSM it was your choice to put greed above anything else.

Well, Cossy, you know how I managed to earn a lot more than £80k and it wasn’t easy. I had zero quality of life. The people you mention, with the exception of junior doctors (though they will become consultants or GPs), will fare much better than I ever did in the work-life balance stakes. If people prefer easier hours, less stress and don’t want to burn the midnight oil that’s their choice.

Germanshepherdsmum

Yes, it’s not a lot.

However, 95% if people earn less than this currently! Many who live in the South East, teachers, nurses, junior doctors, most retail staff, most hospitality staff, most civil servants, most people in banks, most clerical workers, milkman, bakers, gardeners, nursery workers, carers etc etc etc This is how Mr & Mrs average, below average and just above average actually earn now!

fancythat

Purplepixie

I’ll decide on the day. Not convinced by any of them.

Hear hear.

I am leaning towards Reform.
Dont know if they will put up a candidate here.

As it happens, our MP I quite like.

I may do what I have done before, and vote for a minor candidate.

I so wish people wouldnt autmatically keep voting for one of the two main partes.
And then complain there is no one to vote for!
When there ballot often has up to 10 candidates on it. [Not in Scotland as I understand it].

All in all, I am clear as mud really.

Then vote LibDem and campaign for proportional representation.

Yes, it’s not a lot.

Germanshepherdsmum

It’s a figure I found by googling. It seems low to me as well but that’s what I found.

I have always thought the top 3-5% of earners as the multi millionaires/billionaires.

Here in the S E you would struggle to get a mortgage on anything other than a rabbit hutch on a single gross salary of £80,000.

It’s a figure I found by googling. It seems low to me as well but that’s what I found.

The Tories have achieved their purpose which is to make the rich richer. To remove as much tax revenue as possible from the public sector and redistribute it to the private sector. This is simply what they exist for. They do not want taxes spent on the average worker or on public services that they do not use

Absolutely Greyisnotmycolour! Our taxes are currently the highest they’ve been for 80 years, yet very little makes its way into public services. This is down to political choice.

It’s not as if Tory supporters can claim we currently benefit from low taxes … because we don’t! I’m happy to pay tax in order to gain good public services for all citizens. Under this government we have the worst of both worlds … high taxation and crumbling public services

Greyisnotmycolour I completely agree

Nicenanny3

Whitewavemark2

Heaven help us if the majority of people vote on a “gut feeling

Well what are you voting on promises/blind faith that it will all pan right? Starmer or any on his front benches have no track record on running the country do they.

Nicenanny3 you need to do your homework. There are four shadow frontbenchers who were on the front bench in the Blair/Brown years. It blows your argument if you get the basics wrong.

“GrannyGravy13

Germanshepherdsmum
Cossy
GSM I’m talking about the top 5% of earners, no one else.

That my personal view. No idea tbh what the LP view as “wealthy”, I appreciate it’s all relative.
Apparently anyone with a gross income of over £80k is in the top 5%. I’m glad I no longer work, but remember that figure will also include people who have unearned income such as pensions and rental income.

I remember John McDonnell - who is still around - saying that anyone who had anything to leave was wealthy.
That’s a low figure (£80,000) to be included in the top 5%.
(OK I know many earn a lot less, but many 1,000’s earn a hell of a lot more)

Think how many people/professions this includes…“

Clearly, GrannyGravy13 95% of working people earn less than £80,000 (it was £87,000 in the piece I read earlier)

So to any of you posters who are against tax increases - do you want to see improvements in public services - the police, schools, NHS, better rights for workers, better access to housing, a fair and just immigration system or not? After 14 years the Tories have proved themselves unable to deliver on any of these, what makes you think they will be better in future?

The Tories have achieved their purpose which is to make the rich richer. To remove as much tax revenue as possible from the public sector and redistribute it to the private sector. This is simply what they exist for. They do not want taxes spent on the average worker or on public services that they do not use.

Germanshepherdsmum

Cossy

GSM I’m talking about the top 5% of earners, no one else.

That my personal view. No idea tbh what the LP view as “wealthy”, I appreciate it’s all relative.

Apparently anyone with a gross income of over £80k is in the top 5%. I’m glad I no longer work, but remember that figure will also include people who have unearned income such as pensions and rental income.

I remember John McDonnell - who is still around - saying that anyone who had anything to leave was wealthy.

That’s a low figure (£80,000) to be included in the top 5%.
(OK I know many earn a lot less, but many 1,000’s earn a hell of a lot more)

Think how many people/professions this includes…

GSM Yes I looked and saw that and I’ve revised that to the top 3%.

I’m really talking about people earning in excess of £150,000 PA

Looks like you might have a choice between Independent or Monster Raving Loony Salti!

Cossy

GSM I’m talking about the top 5% of earners, no one else.

That my personal view. No idea tbh what the LP view as “wealthy”, I appreciate it’s all relative.

Apparently anyone with a gross income of over £80k is in the top 5%. I’m glad I no longer work, but remember that figure will also include people who have unearned income such as pensions and rental income.

I remember John McDonnell - who is still around - saying that anyone who had anything to leave was wealthy.

Cossy

GSM I’m talking about the top 5% of earners, no one else.

That my personal view. No idea tbh what the LP view as “wealthy”, I appreciate it’s all relative.

Actually, on reflection, I’d amend that to top 3%.

I have no idea who I will vote for. As things stand it will definitely not be the Conservatives, Labour, Libdems or Greens. I have no idea yet what other candidates we may have. We have one rule in our house. If you don't vote, don't moan afterwards.

Nicenanny3

Whitewavemark2

Heaven help us if the majority of people vote on a “gut feeling

Well what are you voting on promises/blind faith that it will all pan right? Starmer or any on his front benches have no track record on running the country do they.

Plus I am sick to the back teeth of "manifestos", which are able to be ripped up at a drop of a hat nowadays.
And not that many people then complain!

Purplepixie

I’ll decide on the day. Not convinced by any of them.

Hear hear.

I am leaning towards Reform.
Dont know if they will put up a candidate here.

As it happens, our MP I quite like.

I may do what I have done before, and vote for a minor candidate.

I so wish people wouldnt autmatically keep voting for one of the two main partes.
And then complain there is no one to vote for!
When there ballot often has up to 10 candidates on it. [Not in Scotland as I understand it].

All in all, I am clear as mud really.

I don't know who I'll be voting for Iam but I do know it wont be the Green Party.

My constituency is a marginal that usually votes in the mp representing the party that forms a government. We went Labour in 97. Our good KP lost by 400 votes to the current Conservative in 2019. Anti Corbyn comments dominated when canvassing. Our current mp doesnt live here, over 150 miles away but he is visible.
We have an excellent Labour candidate this time. She previously worked for the Labour mp, lives here, has a 2 year old, her husband a local head teacher - she’s active locally so fingers crossed she’ll win.
Wherever I lived, I vote for the candidate most likely to beat the conservative
Those who criticise Labour on trans/not being left enough would be wise to be careful about a Green vote

GSM I’m talking about the top 5% of earners, no one else.

That my personal view. No idea tbh what the LP view as “wealthy”, I appreciate it’s all relative.