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Anybody else who doesn't know who to vote for?

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meddijess Thu 23-May-24 12:07:00

I would not vote Conservative, but I don't trust Labour not to open the floodgates to yet more people who really don't like us and want to do us harm. Who to vote for - any ideas?

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 24-May-24 13:54:11

Cossy

I think it’s pretty obvious that any taxes, direct or otherwise, are going to be levelled at are wealthiest citizens, whether one feels this is fair or not, it’s the whole basis of socialism. It’s Labour’s version of “levelling up” and they’ve never made a secret of this.

I’m still waiting though for the benefits of austerity and Brexit and the results and outcome of “levelling up”, or did I blink and miss it all grin

I wonder what you (and Labour) class as ‘wealthy’?

GrannyGravy13 Fri 24-May-24 13:51:33

LizzieDrip

^Food prices, definitely related to Covid and Ukraine^

Nothing to do with Brexit then?

Ukraine is the leading producer/exporter of grain globally, think how much grain is relevant to both food production and as an ingredient.

Our energy prices and fuel have sky rocketed (than you President Putin) all relevant to both food production and transportation.

LizzieDrip Fri 24-May-24 13:45:30

Food prices, definitely related to Covid and Ukraine

Nothing to do with Brexit then?

Cossy Fri 24-May-24 13:43:08

Our! Not Are! Sorry

Cossy Fri 24-May-24 13:42:16

I think it’s pretty obvious that any taxes, direct or otherwise, are going to be levelled at are wealthiest citizens, whether one feels this is fair or not, it’s the whole basis of socialism. It’s Labour’s version of “levelling up” and they’ve never made a secret of this.

I’m still waiting though for the benefits of austerity and Brexit and the results and outcome of “levelling up”, or did I blink and miss it all grin

GrannyGravy13 Fri 24-May-24 13:41:42

Greta

Was the Tory promise of 40 new hospitals, the levelling up, the take-back-control, stop the boats, food getting cheaper with new trade deals post Brexit etc just empty words then?

They certainly haven’t been able to fulfil their 2019 GE election promises.

Is that to do with Covid-19, the invasion of Ukraine and other global issues? We will never know.

U.K. is apparently now the fourth largest exporter.

U.K. economy is set to grow more/quicker than France, Germany and several other developed countries. (Source IMF)

Food prices, definitely related to Covid and Ukraine.

Cossy Fri 24-May-24 13:37:06

Robin202

The two main parties are the same book in a different cover with strong links to the WEF and The Great Reset, written by Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum. The book of the same title is on sale on Amazon, in case anyone thinks it’s a conspiracy theory.
I do feel ultimately, our parties, or its Leaders are ‘selected’ rather than ‘elected’ as the amount of revolving door PMs we’ve recently had, proves.
So who would I vote for 🤔
I’m sceptical. But I’d try an alternative and go for Reform UK. Their manifesto sits comfortably with me. But there are never any guarantees.

Good luck then!

Greta Fri 24-May-24 13:36:29

Was the Tory promise of 40 new hospitals, the levelling up, the take-back-control, stop the boats, food getting cheaper with new trade deals post Brexit etc just empty words then?

Robin202 Fri 24-May-24 13:25:01

The two main parties are the same book in a different cover with strong links to the WEF and The Great Reset, written by Klaus Schwab, founder of the World Economic Forum. The book of the same title is on sale on Amazon, in case anyone thinks it’s a conspiracy theory.
I do feel ultimately, our parties, or its Leaders are ‘selected’ rather than ‘elected’ as the amount of revolving door PMs we’ve recently had, proves.
So who would I vote for 🤔
I’m sceptical. But I’d try an alternative and go for Reform UK. Their manifesto sits comfortably with me. But there are never any guarantees.

Germanshepherdsmum Fri 24-May-24 13:19:31

GrannyGravy13

LizzieDrip there is nothing I have heard from Labour over the last few years that has persuaded me to vote for them.

I would need to know a lot more about their so called Commercial Tax , what they intend to do regarding the frozen Personal Allowance. Their intentions regarding the higher tax brackets and of course the nine of contention that is Inheritance Tax.

I have no idea where the pledged extra 6,500 new teachers are going to come from.

The magic number of 40,000 more NHS appointments a week? Apparently hospitals/clinics/GP’s will work later and at weekends. Our two nearest hospitals already run clinics at weekends and into the evenings.

Our GP practice is already open 8am-8pm Mon-Fri and 8am-12 noon on Saturdays.

It takes years to train Doctors, Nurses, radiologists etc., along with teachers realistically this magic number will not be achieved in Labours first term.

Exactly. We know far too little about some very important things. And wealth tax hasn’t gone away, it will simply not be spoken about at present for obvious reasons. I hope to see Starmer being seriously grilled in the proposed debates.

Jeanieallergy21 Fri 24-May-24 13:16:37

Or this www.getvoting.org/

MayBee70 Fri 24-May-24 13:02:05

Cossy

silverlining48

I listened to the interview this morning and starmer quite rightly says it can’t all be done at once so hes not prepared to make promises he can’t be sure he can keep.

It seems to me judging by listening to conservatives on the today programme and question time over-the last couple of days is that the way Conservatives will fight this election is to spend as much time as possible slandering Labour people and their policies.
Already it’s reported that there is pressure being put on parts of the media not to support Labour, but nothing at all said about how they will go about sorting out their mess and their broken promises, too many to list, over the last 14 years.
They have been a disgrace.

A disgrace and a disaster!

They’ve been trying, for months, to find some dirt to throw at Starmer and they haven’t been able to find anything so they’re now just coming up with saying he won’t keep his promises. This from a government that promised how many new hospitals?

LizzieDrip Fri 24-May-24 12:59:38

Yes, of course, we know that the Labour Party is not only fighting against all the other opposing parties, but also against the vast majority of the media. Truly a mountain to climbsad

Mollygo Fri 24-May-24 12:55:30

The way both parties will fight this election is to spend as much time as possible slandering the other party’s people and their policies.

‘‘Twas ever thus.

Wyllow3 Fri 24-May-24 12:48:22

All too predictable, silverlining. The pressure is there because of who owns the papers.

Purplepixie Fri 24-May-24 12:38:52

I’ll decide on the day. Not convinced by any of them.

Cossy Fri 24-May-24 12:37:51

silverlining48

I listened to the interview this morning and starmer quite rightly says it can’t all be done at once so hes not prepared to make promises he can’t be sure he can keep.

It seems to me judging by listening to conservatives on the today programme and question time over-the last couple of days is that the way Conservatives will fight this election is to spend as much time as possible slandering Labour people and their policies.
Already it’s reported that there is pressure being put on parts of the media not to support Labour, but nothing at all said about how they will go about sorting out their mess and their broken promises, too many to list, over the last 14 years.
They have been a disgrace.

A disgrace and a disaster!

GrannyGravy13 Fri 24-May-24 12:36:44

LizzieDrip there is nothing I have heard from Labour over the last few years that has persuaded me to vote for them.

I would need to know a lot more about their so called Commercial Tax , what they intend to do regarding the frozen Personal Allowance. Their intentions regarding the higher tax brackets and of course the nine of contention that is Inheritance Tax.

I have no idea where the pledged extra 6,500 new teachers are going to come from.

The magic number of 40,000 more NHS appointments a week? Apparently hospitals/clinics/GP’s will work later and at weekends. Our two nearest hospitals already run clinics at weekends and into the evenings.

Our GP practice is already open 8am-8pm Mon-Fri and 8am-12 noon on Saturdays.

It takes years to train Doctors, Nurses, radiologists etc., along with teachers realistically this magic number will not be achieved in Labours first term.

silverlining48 Fri 24-May-24 12:32:23

I listened to the interview this morning and starmer quite rightly says it can’t all be done at once so hes not prepared to make promises he can’t be sure he can keep.

It seems to me judging by listening to conservatives on the today programme and question time over-the last couple of days is that the way Conservatives will fight this election is to spend as much time as possible slandering Labour people and their policies.
Already it’s reported that there is pressure being put on parts of the media not to support Labour, but nothing at all said about how they will go about sorting out their mess and their broken promises, too many to list, over the last 14 years.
They have been a disgrace.

MissAdventure Fri 24-May-24 12:26:57

I don't think they'll be outed, grannygravy.
I didn't realise thy had such a majority, though, until I checked!!

Nicenanny3 Fri 24-May-24 12:23:53

12:16MayBee70

Yes he probably will if he loses he will have no choice the Conservative Party will want a new leader. Yes immigration is a top issue with me but also I think Rishi Sunak is a safe pair of hands in our troubled world. I don't trust Starmer/Labour on security.

LizzieDrip Fri 24-May-24 12:22:19

I think the reason people aren’t enamoured with Labour is because they are being honest with the electorate. We’re so used to politicians promising us the moon on a stick (Brexit; 40 new hospitals; levelling up etc) that, when politicians say it like it is, people think it’s boring, mundane, uninspiring… But its honest, and honestly is something we’re not used to in government any more. So much so, people just don’t recognise it!

GrannyGravy13 Fri 24-May-24 12:19:33

MissAdventure

Jeanieallergy21

Those who want to get the Tories out but don't know who to vote for might like to have a look at this tactical.vote/

Thank you. smile

It will take a landslide shift to oust our MP Miss A. Last GE they got 76.7% of the vote with a majority of 26,634.

They have been here since 2010.

Nicenanny3 Fri 24-May-24 12:18:32

Whitewavemark2

Heaven help us if the majority of people vote on a “gut feeling

Well what are you voting on promises/blind faith that it will all pan right? Starmer or any on his front benches have no track record on running the country do they.

MayBee70 Fri 24-May-24 12:16:53

Nicenanny3

11:47MayBee70

Rishi Sunak I think he's doing the best he can for our country. I also liked Suella Braverman I think it was a mistake getting rid of her that is why a lot of voters went to Reform but I've now changed my mind although my husband is still voting Reform if they have a candidate in our area, a safe blue seat.

So it’s mainly about ‘the boats’. Can I tell you now that, as soon as he loses the election Sunak will resign and he’ll be off to America, that’s how much this country means to him.