Left, right, left, right!

From The Telegraph. I don't know how to use share tokens, but it seems they have had sight of the back of the fag packet:

What ages will have to participate?
Under Tory plans, school leavers aged 18 would be required to participate in the scheme.

Will 18-year-olds at university be exempt or allowed to defer?
No. Everyone will have to do National Service and fit it around their lives. There will be very limited deferments and none for university students.

What if the young person has a job?
There will be no exemption for those who are in work.

What if they are on a gap year abroad?
This will not be a reason for exemption and those abroad will be expected to do their National Service alongside any travel.

What if they already work in the emergency services, prison or care sectors?
The Royal Commission will look at exemptions, including where people are already working in the military. But the starting point remains that all people serve.

What if the young person has unpaid caring commitments?
The Royal Commission will aim to ensure everyone can take part.

Weekend placements could be within the NHS, fire or police service, or with charities supporting older people or tackling loneliness.

Will the royal children be expected to take part?
Yes – everyone will be expected to undergo National Service.

Prince George, 10, Princess Charlotte, nine, and Prince Louis, six, would not be exempt, the Conservative Party told The Telegraph.

Princesses Beatrice and Eugenie also have young children who would be eligible to take part once they reach 18 as well as Prince Edward’s son, the Earl of Wessex, who is 16.

Will the scheme apply in Northern Ireland?
Yes – although the Royal Commission will consider how to manage any sensitivities surrounding National Service.

What if not enough people apply for the military placement?
The Tories have argued similar schemes in other countries have a very high take-up rate, suggesting they don’t expect this to be a problem.

For example, in Scandinavian countries, winning military service programme is highly competitive.

Last year in Norway, 9,840 conscripts were accepted; roughly 17 per cent of the available cohort. Around a quarter go on to pursue a career in the armed forces.

There would be a proposed 30,000 places available in the Armed Forces, which represents only about four per cent of 18-year-olds according to today’s figures.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2024/05/28/national-service-uk-britain-questions-answers-exemptions/#:~:text=What%20if%20they%20already%20work,remains%20that%20all%20people%20serve

That's quite a large fag packet!

Who is going to supervise all these 18 year olds as they undertake these civic duties?

A good question Callistemon.

Goodness knows!

So there will be competition for the compulsory voluntary vacancies? How many contradictions is that?

The organisation, planning and supervision is complex and time consuming. I can’t imagine there being enough cash or people to get such a scheme up and running

Disabled teenagers? Teenagers who are young carers? Teenagers who work and need that money?
I'm 66, nearly, and think that this is an awful plan which is ill thought out. The Tory Party really don't like young people, do they? They took the country out of Erasmus, threw away Freedom of movement and studying abroad. In addition, they have people like Cameron talking about giving back because of the lockdown. They were children during that, who had their education disrupted and who, in the main, followed rules for the welfare of their grandparents and others. You can't say the same for Johnson and his ilk who partied in Westminster.
Give us peace and just go.

Give us peace and go

They’ve called an election. They can’t go any quicker.

Disabled teenagers? Teenagers who are young carers? Teenagers who work and need that money?
Young carers and those in work are covered in my post above with the Telegraph's Q&As. I assume that the disabled will be expected to take part if they are capable of doing so, too.

I agree that it is unfair to target this age group though.

Iam64

The organisation, planning and supervision is complex and time consuming. I can’t imagine there being enough cash or people to get such a scheme up and running

It's a non-starter.

Is it another 36 days of all this .......

I'm an elderly voter and I think the national service proposal is a cheap Tory gimmick to solicit my vote like promises about the old age pension. I've no intention of falling for it from a party comprised of the likes of Johnson and Truss.

great idea, get the rabble off the streets teach them to obey those who know whats best for them,food stamps next, take away welfare and the nhs, the good old days.......

They have gone too far with this one, maybe they dont want to get re elected as they would have to clean the mess up. 2010 to 2016 austerity, bedroom tax, blame the poor, 2017 found guilty of gross mistreatment of disabled by european court human rights, brexit, boris fiasco ,covid deaths etc etc

how long will it take for the public to forget these events?

Yes, I get the impression that they want to lose. Let someone else clean up their mess while they swan off, with their generous parliamentary pensions,to lucrative posts.

I don't understand what all the fuss is about this. Those still in education, in Uni or College, or working (including apprentices) wont be included. Only those sitting on their bums doing nothing and sponging off the state and/or their parents.

MaggsMcG

I don't understand what all the fuss is about this. Those still in education, in Uni or College, or working (including apprentices) wont be included. Only those sitting on their bums doing nothing and sponging off the state and/or their parents.

The OP gives the impression it's everyone age 18-24

I suppose the threat of this might encourage any NEETS to find work quite rapidly!

Maggs - copied from above:

Will 18-year-olds at university be exempt or allowed to defer?
No. Everyone will have to do National Service and fit it around their lives. There will be very limited deferments and none for university students.

So I think you are wrong.

News alert:
Boris Johnson resigned as an MP about a year ago.
He’s gone.
Just in case anyone missed this bit of news.

MaggsMcG

I don't understand what all the fuss is about this. Those still in education, in Uni or College, or working (including apprentices) wont be included. Only those sitting on their bums doing nothing and sponging off the state and/or their parents.

It is everyone of thst age.

Those in education or training will be able to defer it.
Those who refuse won't be sent to prison but will be sanctioned.

We don’t need to worry about this idea of national service because it’s not going to happen.
The Conservatives will lose the election and Labour will win. The only question is by how many seats?

MaggsMcG

I don't understand what all the fuss is about this. Those still in education, in Uni or College, or working (including apprentices) wont be included. Only those sitting on their bums doing nothing and sponging off the state and/or their parents.

Err...no. The idea seems to be that young people will have to organise paid work round the "national service" commitment.

Callistemon21

MaggsMcG

I don't understand what all the fuss is about this. Those still in education, in Uni or College, or working (including apprentices) wont be included. Only those sitting on their bums doing nothing and sponging off the state and/or their parents.

It is everyone of thst age.

Those in education or training will be able to defer it.
Those who refuse won't be sent to prison but will be sanctioned.

Do you mean fined? Many of them don't claim benefits, so can't be sanctioned.

growstuff

Callistemon21

MaggsMcG

I don't understand what all the fuss is about this. Those still in education, in Uni or College, or working (including apprentices) wont be included. Only those sitting on their bums doing nothing and sponging off the state and/or their parents.

It is everyone of thst age.

Those in education or training will be able to defer it.
Those who refuse won't be sent to prison but will be sanctioned.

Do you mean fined? Many of them don't claim benefits, so can't be sanctioned.

That's what the report said

Community service?
😁

I believe it's a good idea in principle. However I think it should be for anyone up to 25 who is not in full time employment. Anyone who is working or full time study should be exempt. I'm not sure about military as the army has enough to do without trying to engage young people who possibly don't want to be there but community work would be good, there's so much they could be doing.

Won’t be illegal migrants doing boot camp, hardly going to fight for this country are they!

MaggsMcG

I don't understand what all the fuss is about this. Those still in education, in Uni or College, or working (including apprentices) wont be included. Only those sitting on their bums doing nothing and sponging off the state and/or their parents.

Rishi has obviously got the message across loud and clear, so everyone has a firm grasp of what they are objecting to .

I think this idea has been put forward in order to make absolutely sure the Tories do not win this election. IMO they want out of the mess. I do not know the details of this scheme, but I'm betting most young people won't want it so maybe they'll get out and vote!