Sir Keir and his manifesto

I agree with you Allsorts. I wonder where we would be today if Labour had had to deal with the aftermath of the financial crisis, covid, the war in Ukraine and vast numbers of migrants arriving in boats? Conveniently for them, we will never know but I think many would be singing a different tune today. It is always so much easier to criticise than to take action. Remember what happened to Churchill after he’d got the country through WW2?

For what it’s worth I do think Sunak has made pledges and is a man of his word, he has the country at heart despite this not thought out plan for 18 year olds, the only youngsters who will take it up are the ones that want to work. We do however, need to sort out outrageous crime figures and working for the community would help but it has to be everyone or not at all.
Starmer, done a complete U Turn from being a Corbyn supporter, how could he? He is without a plan at all, he will get in and borrow up to the hilt and the devil take the consequences.
Financially we are doing very well compare to other countries, the Covid payments, heating allowances and vaccine roll outs were costly, tgey have to be paid for., no one can say what sort of state we would be in without them.

There are many people on here who will never be persuaded to vote Labour. I think they’re called ‘dyed in the wool Tories’. My mum was one.
I voted Tory once when M Thatcher was PM. I think I did it to show solidarity with women. Mmmm. I voted LibDem once in an attempt to vote out the Tory MP where I live. However, I suspect that some voters in this constituency would vote for a donkey if it had a blue rosette on its chest!
Anyway, I have voted for Labour the rest of the time. They make mistakes - everyone does - but they have heart and understanding and would always put country before party, which the Tories never do.

Went to Oxford for a second degree didn’t he? And we all know that ordinary state schools don’t become independent. The grammar school he attended had charitable status - it wasn’t any old state school was it?

ronib

How is being the son of a gp and a pharmacist somehow unusual? Surely loads of gps have children? I think maybe going to Winchester College may have removed Rishi Sunak from an all round mix of children but Keir Starmer was also privately educated. Although Leeds University has a wider pool of backgrounds for Keir Starmer than the social confines of Oxford for Sunak. Although a career in law would also have its limitations and so on it goes…..

Starmer was not privately educated. He went to a grammar school. As a result of the changes which took place in schools in the 1970s, the school opted to become fee-paying. Pupils in Starmer's year did not have to pay fees.

Starmer took a second degree at Oxford. Getting to the Bar is a privilege.

I don’t think background matters, to, be honest.

It’s more about how people behave as adults.

How is being the son of a gp and a pharmacist somehow unusual? Surely loads of gps have children? I think maybe going to Winchester College may have removed Rishi Sunak from an all round mix of children but Keir Starmer was also privately educated. Although Leeds University has a wider pool of backgrounds for Keir Starmer than the social confines of Oxford for Sunak. Although a career in law would also have its limitations and so on it goes…..

To be honest…manifestos and politician’s (any party’s) promises are a bit like pie crusts.

Easily broken and not to be trusted.🤷‍♀️

Sunak’s father was a GP, his mother a pharmacist. That’s not what I would describe as being born with a silver spoon in his mouth. His wife’s family is very wealthy, as we know, and he would have made money from his investment banking career (which is called working btw). What ‘fantastic privileges’ has Sunak had all his life? He went to an independent school. Starmer’s school became fee-paying while he was there. Both went to Oxford. You are conveniently contrasting the Sunak family wealth - most of which is attributable to Mrs Sunak - with Starmer’s own wealth (which is still pretty vast isn’t it?).

7.7 million as opposed to Sunak's family's 770 million. Keir is self made not born with a silver spoon in his mouth and had fantastic privileges all through his life. I think I know which one has an idea of how the ordinary person lives. Neither party has produced a manifesto yet. The only reason the election has been called now is because the Government can't deliver what they promised at the last election.

Something seems to be going wrong here.

A prime minister must be a member of the House of Commons, so if Keir Hardie was a member of the House of Lords, he would be ineligble as the leader of his party and as Prime Minister.

Being a Q.C. or rather a K. C. simply means he is a barrister, not that he sits in the House of Lords.

Many people in Britain would doutlessly like to see Brexit reversed - but the decision is not up to the British public. EU has made it very clear indeed that members cannot opt out, involving themselves and the European Union in a lengthy and expensive procedure and then turn round and ask to be re-admitted, when or if, the country that left decides it was all a horrible mistake.

So, irrespective of who wins the General Election ,and whether you end up with one party forming a government or a coalition ,undoing Brexit is not likely to happen any time soon.

Nope. A serious man who looks at the bigger picture, and can change his mind. You using such dismissive language about a serious good man is not respectful and is glib

Sir 'flip flop' who can't say what a woman is!! The only thing in his favour is that he is better than the horrible Corbyn! All Parties are full of promises that come to nothing once elected - all smoke and mirrors!

The original poster had everything wrong! House of Lords? Having a “Sir” - the usual plaudit for someone standing down from being head of Public Prosecutions - has nothing at ALL to do with the House of Lords. Methinks your petticoat shows, Allsorts

Allsorts

Does anyone understand what Labour’s manifesto is ? I cannot find out. There are generalisations and a few watery suggestions what they might achieve, but not how.
I cannot see how someone worth 7.7 million and belongs to House of Lords understands the true concerns of the average person. . True he is self made and well done for that. Richie was condemned by many for his wealth as if it’s just a Conservative issue.
Those calling for Brexit to be reversed therefore not listening to a democratic decision, should realise the implications of overturning it. Pity so many didn’t turn out and worry about it at the time, maybe next important decision they might.
This latest National Service suggestion, just who suggested that without even consulting the Military. All school leavers should do a form of community service with penalties if they don’t unless exempt.

What are the implications of overturning Brexit please?

Even for the highest earners? Be realistic.

BevSec

I have worries that Starmer will get us back into the EU and also financially hit retired folk.

Rishi has offered to raise the personal allowance for pensioners before having to pay income tax.

It’s an unfair promise! Either raise the personal allowance for all, or don’t!

Thank you Wyllow3. I will have a read of your article.

It is not LP policy to get back into the EU.

This article lays out the policy.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2024/mar/27/peter-mandelson-dismisses-prospect-of-uk-rejoining-eu-labour#:~:text=The%20Labour%20peer%2C%20a%20former,Conservatives'%20botched%20handling%20of%20Brexit.

I have worries that Starmer will get us back into the EU and also financially hit retired folk.

Rishi has offered to raise the personal allowance for pensioners before having to pay income tax.

nanna8

Oh - good luck with your proposed new leader, I think you’re going to need it.

Why?? Surely not based on Allsorts
Inaccurate post,

All official manifestos from the larger parties will be published Asap now a GE has been set

Neither Labour nor Tories have published their manifestos. No doubt they don't want ideas pinched by the other side or the lesser parties. Wait and see.

Each to their own!

I prefer animals.