Never mind about NS, what about tackling knife crime?

keepingquiet
“Strong communities like mine “
I have no idea what that means , but unless you live in a commune then you have to realise that this is happening nationwide .
Yes , A majority in & around LONDON BUT NOT SOLELY .

Oreo
And that’s sad as it is hardly mentioned as news worthy.
Last night there were massive street fights in Sheffield !!!

Maggiemaybe
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What's needed for a start is more policing especially police on the beat, more stop and search, mandatory prison sentence for possession of a knife. Combined with that, more information in schools and again .... more youth centres. I remember my dear old dad saying that where he lived the local policeman knew everyone and you wouldn't dare cross him otherwise you got a clip round the ear and he told your father. Better days IMO.

A majority in & around LONDON

Not sure how many false premises can be fitted into one thread

www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/ce7r36rrezjo.amp

NanaTuesday

Oreo
And that’s sad as it is hardly mentioned as news worthy.
Last night there were massive street fights in Sheffield !!!

Followed that one up out of interest....knives not mentioned.... sticks of wood and clubs found, described as a brawl, no cause reported as yet.

NanaTuesday

Casdon

I’ll just drop this and run.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-68850952#:~:text=Serious%20violence%20fell%20substantially%20in,%2Dolds%2C%20the%20work%20showed.

Really , not sure what that’s based on !!
Daily knifings , fatalities sometimes 2/3 a day !!!
Down from what may I ask , beggars belief , you carry on believing that poll & you are blinkered .

It wasn’t a poll. It was research based on data from emergency departments across the UK. An estimated 141,804 people with injuries sustained in violence were treated in emergency departments across England and Wales, down 22,919 (14%) compared to the previous year.
In what way do you consider that invalid?

Skydancer
Correct , that’s exactly what is needed my DH was a PO 30years plus & that was the way of policibg back then .
Walk the young whippersnappers home let the parents know what was happening. That way they had to parent & deal with .
Sending young offenders to institutions is not working ( I’m not saying it isn’t right ) .
A person related to one of my siblings lost his life last year because he “ dared “ to ask a group of youngsters to stop intimidating a local homeless person 🥵

Casdon
I don’t remember mentioning a “‘Poll”
And given the reports of fatalities it does not appear to seem any thing had changed downwards 🤔

NanaTuesday

Casdon
I don’t remember mentioning a “‘Poll”
And given the reports of fatalities it does not appear to seem any thing had changed downwards 🤔

You did. These are your exact words.

“Really , not sure what that’s based on !!
Daily knifings , fatalities sometimes 2/3 a day !!!
Down from what may I ask , beggars belief , you carry on believing that poll & you are blinkered .”

Siope
As far as I was concerned I posted particular dates through April - Current Day May 2024
At no point did I say anything else .
Please feel free to pick my OP apart it will not change the knife crimes/ fatalities that I cited in the OP
post .
I do not live in London either but have looked up looked at Knife crimes during May 2024 in London . Mainly because I was / am somewhat horrified that this seems to be a daily occurrence.
Also , because I am a Londoner & have family living there still I follow the London news with an awareness of these things .

Just a reminder that there are 79 blades (swords, zombie knives, machetes) ordered by that 17 year old I mentioned which have disappeared and could be anywhere and with anyone. That number is what just one teenager ordered online. How many more are there?

I think the most important thing is to make all these huge dangerous blades illegal. What possible reason can anyone have for buying a zombie knife or a machete?

If you need a big knife for fishing (which is the excuse they make for selling them) then you buy an authorised knife only. The purchaser should be thoroughly checked and a licence for each blade issued with a number engraved on the blade. They should only be available from authorised fishing retailers etc. etc. and the purchaser collects in person with proof of id and a fishing licence. They need to make them really hard to get hold of, bought for valid reasons only, and virtually impossible for teenage drug dealers to buy these things.

J52

Well National Service will give some youth the ideal training for violent crime with knives, guns and commando style attacks.

That is just a ridiculous statement

NanaTuesday

keepingquiet
“Strong communities like mine “
I have no idea what that means , but unless you live in a commune then you have to realise that this is happening nationwide .
Yes , A majority in & around LONDON BUT NOT SOLELY .

Nope. Apparantly Cleveland has the highest level of knife crime in the country.

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Well I haven't heard of a stabbing here for about four years. Of course I am awareof the prevalence of knife crime but I don't watch TV news much or read papers.

I did offer a few suggestions in my post about how we can do something about it.

keepingquiet

Well I haven't heard of a stabbing here for about four years. Of course I am awareof the prevalence of knife crime but I don't watch TV news much or read papers.

I did offer a few suggestions in my post about how we can do something about it.

I think it's the fact that knife crimes are reported so dramatically in the tabloids (not that stabbing someone isn't dramatic) and the reports are fairly consistently frequent - and that politicians don't appear to be addressing the issue, focusing instead on the economy- the usual Labour will spend the money and bankrupt us, or the Tories will reward their mates, donors and backers with tax-cuts... all that kind of stuff.

In fact, they don't appear to be addressing with any urgency those things that bother the majority of people anyway. Although they're all promising to cut hospital waiting times but it's not a headline grabber.

I believe knife crime figures are going down - but from such a high starting point that it isn't making people feel any better about the matter.

A youngster in my extended family was caught taking a knife into school - he'd been threatened by some other teenagers. His parents were horrified to say the least, and so were we, he was such a pleasant child you would never have imagined such a thing.

Dropping statistics or not - it's still damned awful and I think it needs a major re-think... before the figure start to creep up again.

But while the leaders and politicians and parties are slugging it out with each other, condemning each other's promises and manifestos to either stay in power or gain it - we can only watch helplessly.

welbeck

i think a lot of it is connected with drugs, either fighting for pitches, debts etc or perps whose behaviour and personalities have been so disordered by taking illegal drugs.

Unfortunately, much of it isn't, too.

If you don't watch the news or read the papers how can you be sure there is no knife crime at all in your area, keepingquiet?

NanaTuesday

Maggiemaybe
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What are you asking me, NanaTuesday?

All I’ve done on this thread is explain what NS meant, then acknowledge that I cross posted with keepingquiet, who did the same.

dickens unfortunately what you say is not true. Knife crime is still rising

Knife crime has surged by 5% in the past year, according to the latest release from the ONS, marking a concerning rise in violence across England and Wales. According to police records, there were 48,716 incidents involving a knife or sharp instrument, compared to 46,367 the previous year.
benkinsella.org.uk/knife-crime-statistics-increases-by-5-percent-jan-2024/

M0nica

dickens unfortunately what you say is not true. Knife crime is still rising

Knife crime has surged by 5% in the past year, according to the latest release from the ONS, marking a concerning rise in violence across England and Wales. According to police records, there were 48,716 incidents involving a knife or sharp instrument, compared to 46,367 the previous year.
benkinsella.org.uk/knife-crime-statistics-increases-by-5-percent-jan-2024/

aargh - didn't look at that - might have been out of date stats - or maybe crime overall. I do look at quite a lot of different sites

Thanks, anyway, I shall bookmark that for future reference as the figures are from the ONS.

That 19% increase in knife-robberies is alarming.

This struck me... too

Patrick Green, CEO of the Ben Kinsella Trust said “We desperately need tech companies to take greater responsibility. They have miserably failed to self-regulate and continue to sell dangerous weapons on their platforms, whilst also promoting and profiting from violent content. They must recognise their role in knife crime prevention.”

Ah, the old 'self-regulation'... that never seems to work

I believe there was a move to fine social networks 10% of their global turnover if they fail to remove harmful content.

Is this enough? I don't mean financially - what about removing the sites if they don't comply?

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This pupil, who murdered his teacher, wasn't black, a drug dealer or from a deprived family either. The victim wasn't a child.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2014/nov/03/will-cornick-leeds-ann-maguire-murdered-teacher-jail

Dickens
“Dropping statistics or not - it's still damned awful and I think it needs a major re-think... before the figure start to creep up again.”
Exactly this & regardless of research & a&e statistics IT IS STILL HAPPENING ON OUR STREETS in our parks, bus stops , beaches & train stations .
No matter what my words in my OP the fact of the matter is that it is an issue / problem that no one seems to be dealing with .
It isn’t “ Just Black on Black “‘knife crime any more it is of pandemic levels across all ages & ethnicities.
Time to stamp out knife crime