Rayner cleared.

I read that the Tories are trying to get Mone cleared of fraud and corruption.

If she is found guilty she will get thrown out if the lords.

Now there is someone who knows how to fiddle.

If you are going to do it - do it big😄😄😄

Mone, yes indeed.

And what about that motor home north of the border? It’s gone very quiet …

With regard to HMRC.

I think that you will find that the time limit is up.

Other than if they suspect deliberate evasion, but given the police decision I think that is highly unlikely.

Rayner was -as everyone agrees - set up.

Expect more as we get nearer the election.

Verve is not a word that could be used to describe Angela. Tax evasion for any of us is serious.

Urmstongran

Mone, yes indeed.

And what about that motor home north of the border? It’s gone very quiet …

Hasn’t he been re-arrested?

Allsorts

Verve is not a word that could be used to describe Angela. Tax evasion for any of us is serious.

As far as HMRC is concerned Raynor almost certainly had no case to answer, because it would be deemed an innocent error. They might have billed her for the tax amount and perhaps interest but the time limit is passed.

Whitewavemark2

Urmstongran

Mone, yes indeed.

And what about that motor home north of the border? It’s gone very quiet …

Hasn’t he been re-arrested?

Has he? Must have missed that. No mention on tv about it.
That I know on.

wwm, not only are you using the crystal ball again, you are saying you are a tax expert. No case to answer? Innocent error? Evidence please? HMRC have 20 years to investigate suspected tax evasion so the time limit has definitely not passed.

Well I like her she talks some good down to earth sense and she seems a solid sort of lady unlike the Trusses of the world

Lady?

Germanshepherdsmum

*wwm*, not only are you using the crystal ball again, you are saying you are a tax expert. No case to answer? Innocent error? Evidence please? HMRC have 20 years to investigate suspected tax evasion so the time limit has definitely not passed.

A few years as a tax accountant working for HMRC might qualify?

20 years for deliberate tax evasion.

4 years for innocent tax evasion.

Frankly given the level of tax supposedly evaded, HMRC has far bigger fish to fry, given its level of resource.

Whitewavemark2

Germanshepherdsmum

wwm, not only are you using the crystal ball again, you are saying you are a tax expert. No case to answer? Innocent error? Evidence please? HMRC have 20 years to investigate suspected tax evasion so the time limit has definitely not passed.

A few years as a tax accountant working for HMRC might qualify?

20 years for deliberate tax evasion.

4 years for innocent tax evasion.

Frankly given the level of tax supposedly evaded, HMRC has far bigger fish to fry, given its level of resource.

Sounds a bit like Father Ted “oh THAT money! That was just resting in my account.” 🤣🤣

Well what a surprise (not).

I’m sure it does, but AR counts as a big fish.

Because she’s high profile?

Whitewavemark2

With regard to HMRC.

I think that you will find that the time limit is up.

Other than if they suspect deliberate evasion, but given the police decision I think that is highly unlikely.

Rayner was -as everyone agrees - set up.

Expect more as we get nearer the election.

I don’t agree she was set up.So you can’t say everyone.
Somebody did some digging, as they always do in politics and found something worth investigating .
I don’t dismiss it out of hand just cos she’s Labour as some here are doing.

Some are indeed dismissing the tax matter simply because she’s a Labour politician. Had she been a Conservative they would be saying something entirely different - sleaze, snouts in the trough, lining their own pockets etc etc.

Whitewavemark2

With regard to HMRC.

I think that you will find that the time limit is up.

Other than if they suspect deliberate evasion, but given the police decision I think that is highly unlikely.

Rayner was -as everyone agrees - set up.

Expect more as we get nearer the election.

There is no time limits with money the government think is owed to them.

I don’t know whether she was set up or not - but I’m sure the investigation will establish the facts.

Germanshepherdsmum

Some are indeed dismissing the tax matter simply because she’s a Labour politician. Had she been a Conservative they would be saying something entirely different - sleaze, snouts in the trough, lining their own pockets etc etc.

I don’t know if she’s guilty of anything or not, but is she is guilty, she should pay whatever price it is.

I don’t care who represents what party, or what their status is - we all need to play by the same rules.😉

Well said DiamondLily. 👏

I am sorry but you are wrong.

No one has any idea whether HMRC are investigating Raynor, and will never know. Neither, will you know if in the very doubtful event (I would say 99% certain that they won’t) they decide that Raynor owes an amount if tax (perhaps a couple of thousand) as tax affairs are completely private.

Look at Zahawi - Tories don’t do anything by halves do they😄😄

Germanshepherdsmum

I’m sure it does, but AR counts as a big fish.

Not if you knew who HMRC have prosecuted.

HMRC operates strictly within the law - it does of course have to be extremely careful when dealing with high profile individuals, but it is all done within the tight parameters of tax/vat law, so the level of tax potentially owed by Raynor is very small beer indeed.

Whitewavemark2

I am sorry but you are wrong.

No one has any idea whether HMRC are investigating Raynor, and will never know. Neither, will you know if in the very doubtful event (I would say 99% certain that they won’t) they decide that Raynor owes an amount if tax (perhaps a couple of thousand) as tax affairs are completely private.

Look at Zahawi - Tories don’t do anything by halves do they😄😄

The Greater Manchester Police have cleared her of any criminal charges. Fine, all good.

They have passed the information gathered to HRMC, and they will do what they think right.

Whether it stays confidential will depend on whether anyone leaks anything, as with others. Like Zahawi.

If she owes money, she will be expected to repay it, but no criminal charges will be levelled. If she doesn’t owe anything, it’s done and dusted.

No one knows.🤷‍♀️

I think this is the last we will hear of it. She has been cleared by the police and the Council have also confirmed they will take no further action. If she does owe HMRC anything, which apparently according to experts could be up to £3500 if the case is proven, it will be between them and her, she is unlikely to be prosecuted, and it won’t be in the public domain.

My conclusion is that this situation has done her no harm at all. However, the haters will continue to hate, and her supporters will continue to support. It changes nothing.

Please read the last sentence of this quote.

Peter WalkerandVikram Dodd
Tue 28 May 2024 17.19 BST
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"Angela Rayner has been cleared of any potential criminal wrongdoing over claims she avoided tax over the sale of a home, withGreater Manchesterpolice saying it would take no action against the Labour deputy leader.
In a statement, the force said any claims she avoided capital gains tax or council tax would not fall under their jurisdiction, and that they had shared details of their investigation with the local council, Stockport, and HMRC. Neither of these plan to take action either."
www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/may/28/angela-rayner-cleared-of-criminal-wrongdoing-over-sale-of-home#:~:text=Angela%20Rayner%20has%20been%20cleared,against%20the%20Labour%20deputy%20leader.