Labour to get back to an 18 week waiting list within the first term

They intend to keep the balance.

But there are some sectors like A and E, long term elderly care, Chronic long term physical illnesses - Care in areas where there are no "in, operate, out, treat" illnesses, Mental Health Care, that don't appeal to the private sector.

Ilovecheese

They are going to use the private sector, supposedly as a short term measure. It won't be a short term measure will it, it will be the beginning of full privatisation. Starmer's Labour are the party for business now, they will prefer that private businesses earn more profits rather than increase nursing bursaries or pay NHS staff what they deserve.

Tony Blair’s government introduced using the private sector to help keep NHS lists down. I’m currently being treated at a private hospital. I’m an NHS patient.
People forget so quickly.

eazybee

Well, the first thing any party needs to do is to persuade doctors to work full time, not like the six I know who prioritize work-life balance over their career. In their thirties, all refuse to work more than three days a week and all can afford to live comfortably on what they earn.

Many doctors prioritise their children over their work.
Also many doctors work in different disciplines. My daughter did, she worked one day a week in management. She was instrumental in setting up the vaccination centres across the south east corridor during Covid. I suppose her patients thought she was at home with her feet up.

Other doctors work a day a week at the hospital, three days a week as a GP. Female doctors often work two or three days a week because they’ve got a baby at home. Some doctors spend a day a week training other doctors, or doing locum services, or in management, or working at night instead of the daytime. Doctors are most certainly not lazy.

They are going to use the private sector, supposedly as a short term measure. It won't be a short term measure will it, it will be the beginning of full privatisation. Starmer's Labour are the party for business now, they will prefer that private businesses earn more profits rather than increase nursing bursaries or pay NHS staff what they deserve.

Sorry, but I’ll believe it when I see it.

It's a laudable objective and I hope they can achieve even a half of it given the pain and suffering endured by people during the Tory government.

eazybee don’t forget that NHS consultants also work long hours in the private sector. Any ideas there? Or happy with the status quo?

ronib

MaizieD are you asking me?
Just to be clear seems to me that both Labour and Conservatives are completely out of their economic depth.
Let’s just sit back and enjoy whatever fantasy is next spun! An interesting few weeks ahead.

You're the one who is critiquing Keynesianism. Presumably you do that from a position of knowledge?

Well, the first thing any party needs to do is to persuade doctors to work full time, not like the six I know who prioritize work-life balance over their career. In their thirties, all refuse to work more than three days a week and all can afford to live comfortably on what they earn.

Whitewavemark2

So they have found the funding for 40000 extra appointments per week and the clinicians are ready for it.

It is a positive start.

Reeves has already announced a plan for growth with a Treasury whose task is to go for growth in all its undertakings.

Keynsian economics - will produce the revenue needed to fund the NHS - Labour succeeded beyond all expectations in its last term in office

Remember by the end of the Labour government the NHS was considered the best performing health service in the world and that was all down to the investment we put in as tax payers to get something we were all proud of.

Sorry but your posts make me laugh, are you a part time spin doctor?
It’s all electioneering, and btw this isn’t negativity from a Tory voter as I have always voted Labour.
We can hope things will improve but don’t hold your breath on the NHS issues.

MaizieD are you asking me?
Just to be clear seems to me that both Labour and Conservatives are completely out of their economic depth.
Let’s just sit back and enjoy whatever fantasy is next spun! An interesting few weeks ahead.

Keynesianism as in spend money we don’t have.

Do you you know better about how a national economy and money 'issuance' works than did one of the globally acknowledged 'great' economists?

I have to say that announcing that you are planning to finance X project with money from Y taxation is decidedly NOT Keynesianism.

Sparklefizz

Germanshepherdsmum

GrannyGravy13

Our two nearest hospitals already have appointments every weekend and late evenings.

Scans, pre op’s etc. all carried out from 8am - 8pm, seven days a week.

Where are Labour going to find more clinicians to expand on this?

I have raised this question several times and have yet to see an answer.

I was just about to say this. People I know are having surgery on Sundays. I, myself, have had medical appointments on Saturday mornings and weekday evenings. The NHS staff have been working hard to clear the backlog for over a year now.

Where is the extra capacity going to come from? Are we going to have more than 24 hours in a day?

My husband and I have both had hospital appointments at weekends in recent months. Our regional hospital also has a special clinic set up where Doctors and nurses come up from London to help clear the backlog at weekends. It runs like clockwork. I had a minor op there.

Whitewavemark2

Oh sorry ronib I meant for that quote to be on top of this post.

So Reeves and Truss are so far apart in the way they view economics that they have zero in common.

Think Truss- = neo-liberalism on stilts

Reeves =Keynesianism

Keynesianism as in spend money we don’t have.

This money from tax avoidance and evasion is going to have to go a long way isn’t it? And how long will it take to roll in?

Germanshepherdsmum

GrannyGravy13

Our two nearest hospitals already have appointments every weekend and late evenings.

Scans, pre op’s etc. all carried out from 8am - 8pm, seven days a week.

Where are Labour going to find more clinicians to expand on this?

I have raised this question several times and have yet to see an answer.

I was just about to say this. People I know are having surgery on Sundays. I, myself, have had medical appointments on Saturday mornings and weekday evenings. The NHS staff have been working hard to clear the backlog for over a year now.

Where is the extra capacity going to come from? Are we going to have more than 24 hours in a day?

Wwm2 no I don’t have private health insurance.
I read The Times article and am confused. Streeting is suggesting that revenue recouped from tax avoidance will be used to fund the improvements in the NHS. Does he have any agreement with the pro growth Reeves on this and how it is to be accomplished?
Human beings have a habit of believing what they want regardless of reality.

They also plan to train more doctors and nurses, but this will come through slowly.

GrannyGravy13

Our two nearest hospitals already have appointments every weekend and late evenings.

Scans, pre op’s etc. all carried out from 8am - 8pm, seven days a week.

Where are Labour going to find more clinicians to expand on this?

I have raised this question several times and have yet to see an answer.

Oh sorry ronib I meant for that quote to be on top of this post.

So Reeves and Truss are so far apart in the way they view economics that they have zero in common.

Think Truss- = neo-liberalism on stilts

Reeves =Keynesianism

ronib

How does the Reeves plan for growth differ from the Liz Truss plan for growth? Grow the economy I seem to remember was the catchphrase and look where we ended up?

Love all the negativity from all the Tory supporters 😄😄😄

Hope you have private health insurance.

maddyone

I hope you haven’t got a pension pot. Labour raided the private pensions in the first budget of it’s last term. That was one way they funded public spending.

How were they able to manage that?
I can look it up, but if you would care to write about it here?!

I like Wes Streetings take on the NHS. It’s not a sacred cow.

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/the-times-view-nhs-reform-sacred-cow-wes-streeting-g87f865nc

How does the Reeves plan for growth differ from the Liz Truss plan for growth? Grow the economy I seem to remember was the catchphrase and look where we ended up?

maddyone

I hope you haven’t got a pension pot. Labour raided the private pensions in the first budget of it’s last term. That was one way they funded public spending.

Time to stuff the mattresses.