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PM adopts Trump playbook..

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CvD66 Sun 02-Jun-24 09:54:44

..lie, lie again and keep repeating it. I know many of you will cry Well that’s what all politicians do, irrespective of party’
Just look at this week’s lie, repeated by the PM four times this week, that Labour policies will cost taxpayers £2k for each family. Fact checkers equate this claim to adding together 4 years of salary! Sunak being the PM who promised integrity and transparency is more the willing to exaggerate and lie to attempt to hoodwink voters!

Wyllow3 Sun 02-Jun-24 10:12:47

Here's a video where Sunak says it to a crowd

www.linkedin.com/posts/peter-stefanovic-a337517_jeez-prime-minister-rishi-sunak-shamelessly-activity-7201268775617200131-w8AE

Lovetopaint037 Sun 02-Jun-24 10:32:48

Thank you for that. We watched it on the news and were drawn to the complete lack of interest on the faces of his audience.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 02-Jun-24 10:43:49

That is all they have left.

My question is, where are all the rest of the Tories?

Sunak seems to be on a very lonely mission. I suppose that they don’t won’t to be seen with a loser, and have their eyes to the future.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 02-Jun-24 10:46:01

The other Tories are out and about in their constituencies, knocking on doors and keeping their profiles in local newspapers/media outlets.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 02-Jun-24 10:50:10

GrannyGravy13

The other Tories are out and about in their constituencies, knocking on doors and keeping their profiles in local newspapers/media outlets.

Yes I guessed that, but it is usual for a minister etc to troop around with PM when electioneering.

They have been remarkable by their absence.

Perhaps it will change next week, as surely someone in HQ will have noticed this lack of support.

Still I suppose clinging onto the 66 seats is pretty important😄😄

Whitewavemark2 Sun 02-Jun-24 10:51:49

gg13 for someone who is professed politically homeless you are doing a good job of supporting the Tories 😄

GrannyGravy13 Sun 02-Jun-24 10:57:09

Whitewavemark2

gg13 for someone who is professed politically homeless you are doing a good job of supporting the Tories 😄

Not at all, I read our local newspaper, which is full page after page of the local MP’s canvassing and interacting within their respective communities.

(Our MP raised their head to sort out a roadworks problem a couple of weeks ago, other than that they have been conspicuous by their absence)

We have had no canvassers in our area, other than an Independent (our local council has been independent for two terms) I am definitely considering voting independent.

Wyllow3 Sun 02-Jun-24 10:58:55

Quite a lot of Conservative seats have no one nominated for them yet to stand.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 02-Jun-24 11:06:37

Wyllow3

Quite a lot of Conservative seats have no one nominated for them yet to stand.

Our one is, in fact most of our County MP’s are apart from who has retired.

GrannyGravy13 Sun 02-Jun-24 11:08:37

Wyllow just rechecked we have five not standing this time.

Freya5 Sun 02-Jun-24 15:44:49

Lies, Starmer is among the best.
Just watch Novara Media, "This proves he can't be trusted," on you tube
fascinating insight into someone who supposedly is trustworthy.
Why would anyone put their faith into this man.

Whitewavemark2 Sun 02-Jun-24 15:45:54

Freya5

Lies, Starmer is among the best.
Just watch Novara Media, "This proves he can't be trusted," on you tube
fascinating insight into someone who supposedly is trustworthy.
Why would anyone put their faith into this man.

Because the alternative is even worse.

Grantanow Sun 02-Jun-24 17:57:56

I suspect Sunak is politically rather lonely at the moment apart from No. 10 staff. Looks like most Tory Ministers are not appearing nationally and probably trying hard to keep their jobs locally.

Wyllow3 Sun 02-Jun-24 18:25:04

Maybe a misunderstanding on what we were reporting on, GG13

A report today - Sky news

"The Conservatives are having trouble finding enough eligible candidates. Tory HQ was forced to email round last week asking for applications to stand in some 93 constituencies."

Wyllow3 Sun 02-Jun-24 18:26:27

sorry, the reference

news.sky.com/story/how-sunak-and-starmer-will-try-to-parachute-in-their-candidates-with-many-new-faces-on-way-13146606

ronib Sun 02-Jun-24 21:14:09

Back to the O/P well let’s hope it’s only £2k a year per family if Labour gets in but for families in private schools, the tax burden will be considerably higher. So Sunak needs to get up to date?

Whitewavemark2 Mon 03-Jun-24 07:46:07

But it isn’t £2k a year😄.

That is the point of the OP

And as for the private schools - I think that if you look - school fees have risen year on year far above inflation - and many of the schools are awash with surplus. So perhaps it would be good advice to give those running these schools to tighten their belts a little just as 93% of other schools providing our children’s education have had to do over the past 14 years. Then in doing so they could absorb the vat by perhaps not hiking the fees once again.

ronib Mon 03-Jun-24 09:27:58

Yup £2k is on the low side is my gut instinct.
Some public schools are very well funded and endowed but the small private ones will be closing down and there will be increased demand for State school places. So public schools continue to educate the children of oligarchs from abroad. An education industry in the making. If Labour can’t understand this issue then there’s a problem.

Whitewavemark2 Mon 03-Jun-24 11:18:37

Maximum demand will be 4% according to studies. Which is 4% of 7%.

Easily absorbed into the state system as figures in the state sector are falling.

2507C0 Mon 03-Jun-24 12:29:19

Whitewavemark2

But it isn’t £2k a year😄.

That is the point of the OP

And as for the private schools - I think that if you look - school fees have risen year on year far above inflation - and many of the schools are awash with surplus. So perhaps it would be good advice to give those running these schools to tighten their belts a little just as 93% of other schools providing our children’s education have had to do over the past 14 years. Then in doing so they could absorb the vat by perhaps not hiking the fees once again.

Many of the independent schools who will be hit by paying VAT are certainly not awash with surplus money. Many will close. Many offer support for children struggling and failing in mainstream education and this will disappear and there will be an extra burden on state schools to provide this. The state system cannot provide what's needed by many of their students as it is. How are they going to do so for even more children? There are also children from HM Forces families boarding in independent boarding schools so that their education is stable and they are not disadvantaged by having to move schools every couple of years. It also allows them to make friends and develop socially and this important part of human development is not negatively impacted. What happens to these children? There's a significant number of children who are placed in independent schools by social services, often in boarding placements, who will have that support removed. There will be no alternatives for them. I won't go into why the children are placed there, but they are and they are often happy to be there and thrive. It's a nightmare policy from Labour that simply feeds into people's beliefs that all independent schools are full of children of the very rich and a belief that all independent schools are all like Eaton and Harrow, which they most certainly are not.

Annma Mon 03-Jun-24 12:37:26

Nobody could possibly be worse than this present government- Attila the Hun would do a better job.As a retired teacher I am all in favour of private schools paying VAT on their fees. We should be like Finland which has no private education and their school system is the best inthe world.

GrannyGravy13 Mon 03-Jun-24 12:43:32

Annma Finland does have Private Schools, not as many as the U.K. but definitely has them.

(Google is your friend)

Whitewavemark2 Mon 03-Jun-24 12:54:07

2507C0

Whitewavemark2

But it isn’t £2k a year😄.

That is the point of the OP

And as for the private schools - I think that if you look - school fees have risen year on year far above inflation - and many of the schools are awash with surplus. So perhaps it would be good advice to give those running these schools to tighten their belts a little just as 93% of other schools providing our children’s education have had to do over the past 14 years. Then in doing so they could absorb the vat by perhaps not hiking the fees once again.

Many of the independent schools who will be hit by paying VAT are certainly not awash with surplus money. Many will close. Many offer support for children struggling and failing in mainstream education and this will disappear and there will be an extra burden on state schools to provide this. The state system cannot provide what's needed by many of their students as it is. How are they going to do so for even more children? There are also children from HM Forces families boarding in independent boarding schools so that their education is stable and they are not disadvantaged by having to move schools every couple of years. It also allows them to make friends and develop socially and this important part of human development is not negatively impacted. What happens to these children? There's a significant number of children who are placed in independent schools by social services, often in boarding placements, who will have that support removed. There will be no alternatives for them. I won't go into why the children are placed there, but they are and they are often happy to be there and thrive. It's a nightmare policy from Labour that simply feeds into people's beliefs that all independent schools are full of children of the very rich and a belief that all independent schools are all like Eaton and Harrow, which they most certainly are not.

Many? I wonder if you could give some data behind that comment please.

With regard to children of military serving officers. My grandchildren attended a state school that boards children from military serving overseas, so your point doesn’t stand.

With regard to children apparently failing in state education. If the parents can afford school fees they can of course afford to buy in professional help with any difficulties their child is experiencing if the state school is not being sufficiently funded to provide these services yet. My daughter did just that (both severely dyslexic - both educated to post degree level).

With regard to children being placed into boarding by social services. My grandsons partner works in just such an establishment, and I have absolutely no doubt that exemptions can be allowed if deemed necessary for these children who need educational/social and most importantly psychological support.

Make no mistake - fee paying schools are run as a business, with “surplus” which is usually sent off shore to invest not in the U.K. but elsewhere.

Not everyone in the Tory party agree with your points

Michael Gove supported removing tax advantages enjoyed by private schools as one of the best ways of ending society's "burning injustices".

The Levelling Up Secretary said to his "continuing surprise we still consider the education of the children of plutocrats and oligarchs to be a charitable activity".

rocketship Mon 03-Jun-24 13:02:22

I clicked on this thread because Trump's name was in the headline.
As a Canadian and a news 'junkie' I follow what is happening internationally, and especially what is happening politically with my neighbour to the south.
Your political differences thankfully, are minor considering what is happening in the USA.... It's such a mess there with the Trump cultists and craziness going on. Many of them are throwing the term 'civil war' around.... and not just a few~~ Yikes!!!! sad
I think that in every country, it's the economy. When folks are feeling that they can afford to live a fairly comfortable life, they will continue to support the party in power. When people are economically stressed they are far more willing to turn to anyone who promises them 'the moon'. That is how leaders like Hitler came to power.
We are going through something a wee bit similar in Canada with a populist leader of our opposition party. [a person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups]. They say/misrepresent anything to get votes.
That's not to say that the party in power doesn't do the same.

Good luck to us ALL~~~~