Is this the way the Tories are heading?

I’m pretty sure the reason why Sunak called the election was because he knew they were plotting to remove him.

Is Sunak a post turtle?

Well, the latest rumours are that, if the polls don’t move, Sunak will be out.

How on earth the Tories think this will work, halfway through an election campaign, is unclear.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13515709/Rishi-Sunak-pledges-party-Margaret-Thatcher-cutting-NI-2p-axing-stamp-duty-reviving-Help-Buy-manifesto-launch-hopes-save-flagging-campaign-Tory-right-rivals-threaten-swoop-flops.html

Before the election I should have added.

I would not be remotely surprised to discover that if the polls don’t start shifting after the manifesto today that the Tories don’t start eyeing up the possibility of joining up with reform.

Yes, agreed! John Smith was probably the best PM we never had - sadly

People of integrity and commitment

I liked John Smith and Tony Benn in particular.

Glorianny

Am I alone in remembering far left as those who wanted to nationalise everything? Blair got rid of Clause 4, so the party moved to the right. The far left produced some excellent MPs who believed in worker's rights, established and fought for a free NHS and decent education. They were dedicated and moral people. It's a pity there aren't more like them in the party today.
Let's remember
Aneurin Bevan
Barbara Castle
Tony Benn
Clare Short
John Smith
Robin Cook
All to the left of today's LP

But, but, but...

COMMUNISTS....

Cossy

Whitewavemark2

I bet cossy meant privatise

Oh goodness of course I meant privatise! What on earth was I thinking!! Big fat senior moment! Apologies and thanks for highlighting

I bet cossy meant privatise

Cossy

Glorianny

Am I alone in remembering far left as those who wanted to nationalise everything? Blair got rid of Clause 4, so the party moved to the right. The far left produced some excellent MPs who believed in worker's rights, established and fought for a free NHS and decent education. They were dedicated and moral people. It's a pity there aren't more like them in the party today.
Let's remember
Aneurin Bevan
Barbara Castle
Tony Benn
Clare Short
John Smith
Robin Cook
All to the left of today's LP

Whilst I don’t wish to nationalise everything, nationalising our utilities was a disaster!

Ah yes. We had reasonable costs, were not pouring money into the pockets of investors, who always pass on price hikes but never price reductions.
Then there's water. The sea is full of sewage, so are many rivers. While investors have taken £85 Billion + out of 10 water companies.
www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cw4478wnjdpo
But public ownership was dreadful????

LizzieDrip

Iam64 I have lost the will to debate after being castigated for giving my views (on a different thread). Apparently I get too ‘het up’.

So I’ve stepped back from the fray, but still enjoy following the views expressed by you and others (who perhaps don’t get quite so ‘het up’)

Well not het up but amazed that Sunak has said nothing on Braverman remaining a candidate after that.

Freya

Thank you for your very “kind” words.

I’ve never expected anyone to agree with me, and you’re talking nonsense about Rayner, a woman you clearly don’t like, which is absolutely fine.

I’m neither pompous nor in need of your false sympathy. “Poor you”.

Think if anyone comes across as “pompous” on this thread, it’s actually you.

I’m actually far more of a centralist, than “leftie”, but I simply cannot bear to have a further 14 years of utter turmoil such as this government has provided, so yes, I will be voting Labour at the GE.

I’m certainly not “Ill informed”, I take a great interest in politics and others views.

I’m not the one who referred to her as “rabid” left, and yes she’s very outspoken and there’s absolutely nothing wrong with challenging if you don’t agree with something.

This govt has done nothing but fall out with other and point the finger at each other at every opportunity.

I’m sorry you’re unable to express your own views or enter into debates without becoming personal and insulting.

Oo yes Maddyone I’m all for comfy knickers

Very true Casdon. I didn’t think of that. It’s just that I don’t know the answer to the question. I guess we’ll all know after the election.

Now on the subject of comfy knickers…..

Remember that famous quote though maddyone
“If the world were good for nothing else, it is a fine subject for speculation.” (William Hazlitt)
It’s true, we all speculate about what’s going to happen, life would be very dull if we didn’t.

LizzyDrip you really can’t beat a pair of comfy knickers, can you?
Just wondering, should my comment be on the do you feel young thread? Anyway, I’m all for comfy knickers, and comfy everything else too.

I don’t know if that’s the way the Conservatives are heading. None of us do. We can speculate but we can’t know. For what it’s worth, I don’t think Nigel Farage will join with the Conservatives but I guess we’ll all have to wait until after the election and see what happens then. Pointless to speculate.

Thanks all - your words are really appreciated and I agree with your comments.

Knickers well and truly untwisted - it was very uncomfortable having ‘em twisted actually, so it’s a big relief

Loving the image of the parrot saying ‘bugger ‘em’ with a Yorkshire accent ‘*Glorianny*

Urmstongran

Yes it’s good we ALL get the opportunity to put in our two penn’orth. Makes for a more interesting debate.

👏👏👏👏

Glorianny

Am I alone in remembering far left as those who wanted to nationalise everything? Blair got rid of Clause 4, so the party moved to the right. The far left produced some excellent MPs who believed in worker's rights, established and fought for a free NHS and decent education. They were dedicated and moral people. It's a pity there aren't more like them in the party today.
Let's remember
Aneurin Bevan
Barbara Castle
Tony Benn
Clare Short
John Smith
Robin Cook
All to the left of today's LP

Whilst I don’t wish to nationalise everything, nationalising our utilities was a disaster!

LizzieDrip

WW and Cossy (and Tennyson) thanks for the moral boost Much needed and appreciated.

We say ‘bugger ‘em’ in Yorkshire too!

Yes but with a Yorkshire accent. My great aunt living in London had a parrot that said it, and everyone knew who it was copying because of the accent.

Yes it’s good we ALL get the opportunity to put in our two penn’orth. Makes for a more interesting debate.