Is this the way the Tories are heading?

In voting, not invoking.

The "sad truth?

Is that the politics of cynicism and despair may be a reflection of difficult times but only serve to further destroy our democracy as people see less point invoking when presented with this POV.

There is a great deal of disappointment from some Conservatives who are pushing this. " whats the point no one really cares anymore".
Well, the Labour Party do care and are trying as hard as possible to find ways through these difficult times with modest policies - a great number of MP's committed to making things better and a leader who clearly does care.

nanna8

The sad truth is that neither parties are worth getting worked up about. Who in their right mind would enter politics these days ?

Maybe someone that has a true vision and belief in this country?

They don’t have a leader who could double up as a leader, either.

Labour haven’t been in power for 14 years. Why are you so sure they won’t do a good job of turning this country round? They did last time. Just because we’ve had 14 years of inept government ( unless you happen to be someone that’s got rich because of them) doesn’t mean that all politicians are like the ones currently in power. Is it because the Labour Party don’t happen to have a leader who could easily double up as a stand up comedian?

The sad truth is that neither parties are worth getting worked up about. Who in their right mind would enter politics these days ?

MaizieD

Iam64

I’ll be surprised if many tories go to Remain.

Did you actually mean 'Remain', or did you mean to say 'Reform', Iam64? 😕

Apologies - yes I meant Reform .

Primrose apologies for the Farage supporter comment, I was wrong to assume.

But I have to respectfully disagree that Labour supporters are any worse than Conservative supporters, I’ve heard some truly awful name calling from both sides.

cossy or as they are now calling him

“Rishi without a dishi”

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Chocolatelovinggran

Oh Primrose, you might want to check out posts about Angela Rayner...
Probably not by Labour supporters .

And awful posts and accusations towards Starmer too.

Oh Primrose, you might want to check out posts about Angela Rayner...
Probably not by Labour supporters .

Cossy

Primrose53 pretty rich! Lots of people, from across the political spectrum, have names for politicians! I’d say typical of a Farage supporter to infer only Labour supporters call others names! Johnson did and does it very frequently!

I’m not a Farage supporter actually Cossy but as *Amalegra” says he does shake things up and says what he thinks.

I was talking about Labour supporters on here and other social media. I think I would struggle to find such nastiness from posters other than Labour supporters. It’s like they can’t help themselves.

I bet if I came on and called Starmer some disgusting name I would get reported.

nanna8

It seems Sunak knows he will lose, he wants it over quickly and then he will resign as an MP and sit back and enjoy his wealth. The Tories who want to remain will likely jump into the Reform party, hedging their bets. Either that or welcome Garage into their own party and park their cars under his roof. Vroom vroom.

I would certainly be off PDQ if I was Dishi Rishi (as my very right wing called him!).

I’d be packing my bags right now and clear right off with my lovely wife and daughters!

Amalegra

We need an effective Opposition in our country for democracy to function as it should. Quite frankly, the Tories aren’t going to be much use. The Libs, Greens etc aren’t any better. All veer towards a more socialist view. Labour and Conservative have become so similar in their policies that we need other opinions. Farage shakes things up a bit. He is accused of being ‘racist’, for example, an easy insult to level at anyone who questions why we have admitted so many immigrants to this country without a clear plan of how we can provide housing, healthcare, schooling etc. Those who come here are not all refugees! Many of the public actually agree with him and if the more left wing among us don’t like their views they MUST remember they have a perfect right to express them peacefully. Unlike the agitators who throw milkshakes etc at Farage and threaten him and other politicians and public figures with violence. These people need to be taken out of society as they obviously do not understand the concepts of free speech and democracy.

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Primrose53 pretty rich! Lots of people, from across the political spectrum, have names for politicians! I’d say typical of a Farage supporter to infer only Labour supporters call others names! Johnson did and does it very frequently!

We need an effective Opposition in our country for democracy to function as it should. Quite frankly, the Tories aren’t going to be much use. The Libs, Greens etc aren’t any better. All veer towards a more socialist view. Labour and Conservative have become so similar in their policies that we need other opinions. Farage shakes things up a bit. He is accused of being ‘racist’, for example, an easy insult to level at anyone who questions why we have admitted so many immigrants to this country without a clear plan of how we can provide housing, healthcare, schooling etc. Those who come here are not all refugees! Many of the public actually agree with him and if the more left wing among us don’t like their views they MUST remember they have a perfect right to express them peacefully. Unlike the agitators who throw milkshakes etc at Farage and threaten him and other politicians and public figures with violence. These people need to be taken out of society as they obviously do not understand the concepts of free speech and democracy.

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Iam64

*the problem is people who do t like him think everyone should agree with them. Just like the Brexit vote. They will go to their graves bitter and twisted because their side didn’t win*

Phew - evidence for this please ? It certainly isn’t here on gransnet. Bitter and twisted ?! Who is 😂

I’d say the complete opposite frankly, those who admire Farage, Johnson and Trump seem astounded that many of us don’t!

I don’t like any of them, I vote remain, I couldn’t be less bitter and twisted if I tried, just saddened by the mess we are in and frustrated at some Brexiteers being unable to accept this.

singingnutty

Oh dear, Mr Farage! In order to show my dislike of him, if I have to say his name I pronounce it to rhyme with 'garage'.

OMG How original, not!🤣

I can never understand why Labour supporters always have to use terms of ridicule or offence when talking about other parties. Words like scum, skanks, trash, disgusting and a lot worse. It’s just horribly juvenile.

I watched the announcement of the Tory manifesto yesterday and all I heard was what Labour were going to do that was wrong. I heard nothing new. After 14 years I am no better off than what I was when they came to power. We have both worked all our lives and at the age of 67 had to wonder whether we could actually afford to retire.

Oh dear, Mr Farage! In order to show my dislike of him, if I have to say his name I pronounce it to rhyme with 'garage'.

Iam64

I’ll be surprised if many tories go to Remain.

Did you actually mean 'Remain', or did you mean to say 'Reform', Iam64? 😕

I will too. I think time in opposition and a re-grouping. Which is what always happens when a party faces a big loss.

Interest will be - I presume Sunak will stand down - who is elected leader.

I’ll be surprised if many tories go to Remain.

It seems Sunak knows he will lose, he wants it over quickly and then he will resign as an MP and sit back and enjoy his wealth. The Tories who want to remain will likely jump into the Reform party, hedging their bets. Either that or welcome Garage into their own party and park their cars under his roof. Vroom vroom.