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Labour and the Tories have disenfranchised me

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ferry23 Thu 13-Jun-24 05:38:14

I always vote. Even at our Parish Council elections. Like so many, I feel I have an obligation to those who fought so hard for me to have that basic right.

This time I feel completely disenfranchised as I have no desire to vote for any of them. I've recently moved from a constituency where the MP works tirelessly for the constituents and, I believe, goes the extra mile in supporting charitable and community projects and initiatives. I was happy to vote for him even if I was a bit disillusioned with his party line.

This time around, after thinking long and hard, I probably won't vote. It goes against everything I believe in and how I was brought up.

Maybe my thinking is naive, or just a way of justifying my decision, but I believe that by NOT voting I am showing my contempt at a broken political system and because of that contempt I CHOOSE not to vote and thanks to those who allowed me to have that choice.

It's like deciding whether I should vote for Jack the Ripper or Harold Shipman. angry

RosiesMaw Thu 13-Jun-24 05:42:16

No they have not.

This is your choice and if you choose not to vote don’t complain afterwards.

GrannyGravy13 Thu 13-Jun-24 06:12:26

This sums the main parties up for me

Curtaintwitcher Thu 13-Jun-24 06:21:15

I think many people feel the same. We know the Tories have made a huge mess of things and we need to get rid of them. However, the alternative is not a good prospect.
No-one seems to actually care about this country, or the lives of British people.
Personally, I think our political system is wrong and needs a complete over-haul. The party system doesn't really work, and having one man at the top with so much power is not the best way to do things.
Each MP is supposed to represent the interests of his constituency, but in our present system, we vote for the party not the person. A committee would be more efficient, with the public being consulted on all important issues.

ferry23 Thu 13-Jun-24 06:34:36

RosiesMaw

No they have not.

This is your choice and if you choose not to vote don’t complain afterwards.

OK - maybe I should have said that I FEEL like I'm being disenfranchised .

But I shall be complaining even if I do vote. That's my point.

M0nica Thu 13-Jun-24 06:41:35

ferry23 I know exactly how you feel. But my DH has a saying that if there is no one you can vote there is someone you can vote against.

So I will be going through those on the ballot paper in my constituency eliminating the one it would most stick in my craw to vote for, then the next one I feel like and so on until only one is left.

I will probably end up voting for the Monster Raving Loony Party or the Free Occupied North Berkshire party, but vote, I will.

Whitewavemark2 Thu 13-Jun-24 06:51:31

We need to reform the FPTP system and introduce some form of PR and then your vote will always be meaningful.

kittylester Thu 13-Jun-24 07:01:49

Well said WWM2

Skye17 Thu 13-Jun-24 07:36:30

OP, isn't there a least bad option you could vote for? Not voting doesn't necessarily show contempt; it could just show apathy. (To others, I mean.)

argymargy Thu 13-Jun-24 07:38:34

There are more than two parties.

MissInterpreted Thu 13-Jun-24 07:40:31

Not knowing who to vote for is not the same as being disenfranchised. Vote for somebody, anybody - or even spoil your ballot paper, but make the effort to vote. People fought and died to give us that right - a right which is still denied to those in some countries.

Wheniwasyourage Thu 13-Jun-24 07:46:18

A vote for a party with no chance in your constituency is a much better protest vote than not voting. It sounds as if you would feel bad about not voting, ferry23, as I would, and so go and vote for the Monster Raving Loonies and feel better. smile

Siope Thu 13-Jun-24 07:57:44

Not voting is just apathy, not protest. I find it hard to believe that there isn’t a single party standing in your constituency which has some policies you believe will benefit the country (or some you believe will damage it).

Totally agree about PR. FPTP is dreadful.

J52 Thu 13-Jun-24 08:04:34

I agree with the previous posters. It took women a long time, blood sweat and tears to gain the vote. For that reason alone I will use my vote.
No party will provide the perfect government, so looking at it from the ‘one I hope will do some of the things I align with’ point of view might be a way forward.
I also think that a vote for a minority party at least might give a seat in opposition.

25Avalon Thu 13-Jun-24 08:05:38

Love the cartoon GG13. It’s frustrating. Not voting, however, is not really an option as it will just be considered apathy. Maybe we need a revolution but I can’t see anyone to lead it.

keepingquiet Thu 13-Jun-24 08:10:04

Whitewavemark2

We need to reform the FPTP system and introduce some form of PR and then your vote will always be meaningful.

Didn't we have a referendum on this during the coalition? I think it was 2011-only 13 years ago?
The only way you are going to get any kind of reform is to vote LibDem and look what happened last time...

ferry23 Thu 13-Jun-24 08:16:53

In no way am I apathetic. On the contrary, I'm passionate about the whole subject.

Thank you for posting on this thread, you've made me think and I will take a closer look at those standing here.

I suppose the concept of voting against someone (or party) as opposed to endorsing one is an alternative way of looking at things but not one I've ever felt this strongly about.

I do wonder anyway, if on the day, I won't be able to stop myself from voting. I'd probably make a last minute dash to the polling station having argued with myself about it all day!

Farmor15 Thu 13-Jun-24 08:28:08

Living in Ireland which has proportional representation, I would definitely recommend it! One of the bigger political parties tried to change it in the 60s - twice - but in referendums the people voted to keep the system.

Iam64 Thu 13-Jun-24 08:37:06

The country voted against PR last time, given another chance, that could change.
Johnson’s 80 seat majority with both Labour and the Lib Dem’s in disarray did us no favours.
I’m in no doubt, our local Labour candidate is excellent. I’m traditionally a Labour voter so I’ll vote for her

foxie48 Thu 13-Jun-24 08:49:31

I live in a constituency that always votes in a Conservative with a huge majority. In some respects I feel disenfranchised but I do always vote tactically, not that it makes any difference to the outcome.. I'd like to see a mix of FPTP and PR, perhaps bigger constituencies and a proportion of seats allocated across the country by PR.

pascal30 Thu 13-Jun-24 09:31:33

Whitewavemark2

We need to reform the FPTP system and introduce some form of PR and then your vote will always be meaningful.

Absolutely.. join Compass

henetha Thu 13-Jun-24 09:35:27

I simply couldn't not vote. I regard it as a privilege. But it is difficult this time to know who to vote for. Sometimes, when standing in that little box with the voting paper in my hand, I get a gut feeling of who I need to vote for. I hope that works this time.

Farzanah Thu 13-Jun-24 09:46:40

I’m in a quandary about voting too, but will always vote because it is a hard won right. Being disillusioned is not being disenfranchised.

If the polls are correct then the Labour Party will win, but after being a lifelong Labour voter, I do not believe in the Party that they have become. They are only offering minor tweaks in Tory policy, which has clearly failed over the last decade, and are, according to Rachel Reeves, going to continue he down the austerity line.

I don’t know whether to vote strategically to unseat my ineffective sitting Tory MP, which will be against my principals, or for the Greens for example, who have no hope of winning? Oh dear!

Sarnia Thu 13-Jun-24 09:52:30

I am just like the OP and completely disillusioned with politics, full stop. However, I cannot sit at home and will fulfil my right to vote. I have been a 99% Tory voter all my life with an occasional vote for Labour in the Blair days. This time I will not and cannot put a cross for the Tories. After 14 years of their Government there should be so many things working well in this country but wherever I look, education, housing, immigration, NHS, the building blocks of our country, are all failing. Vanity projects like HS2 have wasted enormous amounts of money while those seeking justice such as the postmasters wait for decades for any solution. The infighting is pathetic and try as I might I cannot warm to Rishi Sunak. Labour don't inspire me either. Sir Kier Starmer has Angela Rayner's hand up the back of his jacket pulling his strings. At this moment it may be Reform who get my vote but standing in the voting booth that may change. But I will be standing at the voting booth.

luluaugust Thu 13-Jun-24 09:57:36

I always vote and this time I shall be voting for our sitting MP rather than his party. He has a good record but I think may well go this time after 20 years. Friends are saying they will spoil their paper, vote Reform to try and make a point! or just vote as they always have. Very difficult choices.