Reform/Farage - economic policies don’t add up.

A Muslim entrepreneur has donated hundreds of thousands of pounds to Reform UK, claiming the UK has "lost control of our borders”.

The precise amount Zia Yusuf has given to the party has not been disclosed but Reform UK claims it is the biggest donation of their general election campaign so far.

Reform UK leader Nigel Farage has faced criticism from Muslim organisations after he said a growing number of Muslims do not share British values.

When asked by the BBC about critics labelling some in Reform UK racist, Mr Yusuf said the party leadership "feel very strongly that we should protect British values and put British people of all religions and creeds first."

As well as being a donor, the BBC understands the 37-year-old will have a public role for Reform UK during the campaign.

GSM, I thought I had replied pointing out the four point plan which I believe is enough. What would you do? Also I made the point about the GP in reply to your offensive comment earlier in this thread about Reform voters being thick bigoted racists.

The 4 point plan Bev

I have been asking how the plan can be carried out. You support this plan but seem unable to explain how it can be executed, you simply repeat what the plan is. I have explained my perceived problems with it - do you have no argument to the contrary if you support Reform?

Btw I didn’t say that all Reform supporters were thick bigoted racists - but a GP supporting UKIP is not a GP supporting Reform.

How it can be executed is leaving the ECHR with immediate effect and promptly putting illegal immigrants on flights within days of their arrival. They can be resettled in
Rwanda swiftly which from what I have read seems as though it may offer them a good life.

By the way, GSM, how do you judge which Reform supporters are thick ignorant racists and which are not?

Had a lovely afternoon enjoying Open Gardens locally. 12000 steps so feet a bit tired. I came home to ask my husband about Reform and he thinks the bureaucracy is not up to the job and that by registering a protest vote, better than not voting or spoiling a ballot paper, bureaucrats might get the message. But will the bureaucrats even notice? Basically a lot of discontented voters…,

How will

"picking up illegal migrants at sea and returning them to France" work.

BevSec, I have been asking you about Reform’s plans to send people back to France by boat. You seem unable to grasp that, let alone explain how it could be achieved. Another Reform supporter taken in by Farage’s rhetoric. Let’s leave it there. You’ve confirmed my view.

Yes let us leave it there and I dont care whether I have confirmed your view or not.

It won’t Wyllow, and nobody here seems able to argue otherwise.

BevSec

Yes let us leave it there and I dont care whether I have confirmed your view or not.

Take no notice BevSec I don't, seems some posters have an elevated view of themselves.

Thank you, Nicenanny3, that is a very kind comment.

Says one Reform supporter to another.

I was a Tory voter until they stabbed Boris in the back.

BevSec promptly putting illegal immigrants on flights within days of their arrival.

What happens when the receiving country refuses to accept them and puts them back on a plane to the UK?

What happens if they are refugees seeking asylum from war torn countries. Exactly how would you put Palestinian refugees back on planes to Gaza?

What about political and other refugees, who the moment they landed back in their country of origin would be picked up by the police taken to prison and executed or subject to torture - which is, of course, why they fled their country in the first place.?

The reason governments of both parties have not done exactly what Reform recommends is for the above reasons. How would the Reform party deal with these problems?

I assume if they are so convinced this policy would work they must have worked out how to deal with these problems.

Where there's a will there's a way, the government shut down the whole country because of Covid, I'm sure if we had a strong PM/government like Australia had we could turn round a few dinghies and no I don't have the fine details that's above my paygrade and yours as well I would think, although some seem to think they know it all.

Nicenanny3

BevSec

Yes let us leave it there and I dont care whether I have confirmed your view or not.

Take no notice BevSec I don't, seems some posters have an elevated view of themselves.

Not at all. The difference is that some people are capable of analysing a situation/ problem and then coming to the conclusion that the plan will work/ not work.
It’s called critical thinking.
Perhaps the above 2 posters could give it a try.

This is showing that Reform supporters just like what Farage says and don’t question whether it is achievable. I have pointed out some obvious problems, and saying ‘where there’s a will there’s a way’ doesn’t cut it. Some people clearly have a greater capacity for critical thought than others Nicenanny, and that isn’t thinking one knows it all.

BevSec, who stabbed Boris in the back? Don’t you think he was the author of his own downfall, partying during covid and lying to parliament?

GSM from what I have read (and isnt that where we all get our information) he was not even aware of the parties and apparently there was no gold wallpaper on the walls of no 10. Lies get told.

How did he get fined for breaking covid rules then, despite denying that they had been broken?

As regards the wallpaper (obviously not actual gold) and his mistress’s other expenditure on No 10:
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/boris-johnson-wallpaper-gold-flat-carrie-invoice-b2118185.html

Lies get told.

Indeed they do, BevSec. You seem to have swallowed them hook, line and sinker...

Sue Gray investigation, Parliamentary Standards committee investigation and a police investigation resulting in a fine for breaking the law... all concluded that Johnson was aware and involved.

GSM how have the Tories gained by getting rid of Boris? No one can know for sure, but I suspect he would have won another election. They are going to be annihilated if the polls are to be believed. Where is the gain in that?

BevSec

GSM how have the Tories gained by getting rid of Boris? No one can know for sure, but I suspect he would have won another election. They are going to be annihilated if the polls are to be believed. Where is the gain in that?

It isn’t all about gaining power though, is it. It’s what you do with that power that matters. They knew what sort of leader Johnson would be because those in parliament knew what he was like, but they went ahead and chose him anyway because it was all they cared about. Many decent Conservatives wouldn’t serve under him anyway and those that didn’t leave were pushed out anyway. Grieve, Soames, Soubry, Stewart etc. He should have been removed after his illegal attempt to prorogue parliament but they still kept him because he was a vote winner. And the end result seems to be that he has destroyed the party; he just leaves a trail of carnage wherever he goes both in his professional * life and personal.
*I use that term loosely: he isn’t professional in any way.

Do you seriously think that Boris could have stayed after what he did BevSec? I vote Conservative and I agree that Boris was very good at attracting votes, but he was never a man for details, left too much to others to deal with, absented himself from COBRA meetings at a crucial time and lied. As a child he said he wanted to be king of the world and he thought he had achieved that when he became PM. Thought he could just do as he wished, as he had throughout his life. I was very disappointed when he became leader and his laissez-faire style of leadership and his lies brought him down. Nobody stabbed him in the back.

Good summary MayBee.