Will Tory supporters welcome Farage as their new leader?

nanna8

I’m wondering if Farage would use the navy to stop the boats. That seems the obvious thing. I wouldn’t discount him, I think he will pick up a lot of disaffected Tories, though he won’t actually win many seats because of the way things are structured there. Quite bizarre really.

I’m wondering if Farage would use the navy to stop the boats.

You have a very short memory. If I recall correctly, Priti Patel wanted to use the navy to 'stop the boats'. The navy refused to play ball.

Part of a tweet from an immigration expert who knows the law:

you are not legally allowed to enter French territorial waters and drop people off on the beach. In fact it is highly illegal.

x.com/stand_for_all/status/1802732860572311714

Simplistic 'solutions' might seem very attractive to the uninformed but we exist in a world of international law, agreements and conventions. Isolating the UK from all of that is mindbogglingly stupid. No-one would have any dealing with us.

Reminds me of 1930s Germany. A lot. He is a very good speaker. Very persuasive

Yes nanna8. Hitler was also a very powerful, persuasive speaker. Frightening isn’t it!

It’s extremely frightening, as is the rise of the far right again in some of Europe.

I have no issue with Right Wing or Left Wing, I do not like or support extremists if any type.

We need a good strong efficient govt and an equally strong opposition.

"I’m wondering if Farage would use the navy to stop the boats.

You have a very short memory. If I recall correctly, Priti Patel wanted to use the navy to 'stop the boats'. The navy refused to play ball. "

this is correct.

this is why Farage is promising something that cant be delivered, "we will stop the boats".

Read this and take note as it addresses it directly:

www.navylookout.com/why-its-not-the-royal-navys-job-to-stop-migrant-boats/

Sparklefizz

RosiesMaw PS I believe Hitler was patriotic, supported the German military and in addition, was very fond of his dog

Don't be ridiculous. The same could be said for Princess Anne, removing the word "German".

Is Princess Anne sharing her views with anybody, or aiming to be Prime Minister?

That is a fine article, Wyllow3 until you get to the last 3 paragraphs. Which are as ill informed as any right wing rant about 'illegal immigrants'.

RosiesMaw

As he is unlikely to be elected MP for Clayton (or anywhere) I assume not.
Even if Larry the cat is the last former occupant of No 10 left.

Larry the cat might do more to stop the boats🤣

LizzieDrip

^Reminds me of 1930s Germany. A lot. He is a very good speaker. Very persuasive^

Yes nanna8. Hitler was also a very powerful, persuasive speaker. Frightening isn’t it!

Don’t be so stupid! Hitler was a drug addict, with a mental illness for sure!

Mt61 there’s no need for personal insults.

Hitler may well have been a drug addict with a mental illness, but he was also a powerful, persuasive speaker.

I could explain the historical facts of how and why he persuaded a nation to follow his evil ideas, but as I’m apparently stupid, what do I know🤷‍♀️

Perhaps you could try reading for yourself.

"Mind boggingly stupid" is an apt description for the recent governments.

In response to MaisieD's post. Wouldn't let me quote

Germanshepherdsmum

The choice is between Sunak and Starmer. Starmer will do nothing to stop the scrounging illegal migrants. He’s a human rights lawyer. Speaks for itself. Giving Sunak the opportunity to send them to Rwanda is our best hope of stopping them or getting rid of them.

That is a very shortsighted reason for voting for one party or another.

If Satan and his legions were campaigning on a policy of setting mines to blow up all small boats coming a mile from shore would it be such a great idea to elect them at once, regardless of all the other policies they would also be implementing - the endless fires, the imps perpetually pestering inhabitants, all the torments of hell - but no more immigrants so all would be worth it?

Mt61

LizzieDrip

Reminds me of 1930s Germany. A lot. He is a very good speaker. Very persuasive

Yes nanna8. Hitler was also a very powerful, persuasive speaker. Frightening isn’t it!

Don’t be so stupid! Hitler was a drug addict, with a mental illness for sure!

It is absolutely not stupid . My ex husband is German and this is exactly why Hitler was supported. He knew what to say to appeal to the masses.

sassysaysso

In response to MaisieD's post. Wouldn't let me quote

😁

My ex husband is German and this is exactly why Hitler was supported. He knew what to say to appeal to the masses

Precisely Syracute.

Hitler put across his dangerous rhetoric in a highly persuasive manner and, even though the content was vile, he convinced a nation. He employed fear tactics and ‘othering’. Farage uses the same approach. Farage knows that exactly what he’s doing - just as Hitler did.

The people who refuse to learn from history are the truly stupid ones.

MaizieD

That is a fine article, Wyllow3 until you get to the last 3 paragraphs. Which are as ill informed as any right wing rant about 'illegal immigrants'.

Yes, they are mixed, but I wanted to make clear that Farage's idea of turning back the boats is a non starter even for that POV.

Farage offers nothing different at all except that. he's already appeared to ditch one of his original ideas.

Independant, JUne 4th

"Nigel Farage appeared to ditch a key Reform UK policy live on air, admitting that his party’s plan to process asylum seekers in British Overseas Territories is “not terribly practical”.

The former UKIP leader hit the airwaves ahead of launching his election campaign at Clacton pier today after announcing his dramatic return to political frontlines on Monday, as exclusively first revealed by The Independent.

He was challenged over the party’s “secure detention for all asylum seekers” plan.

Contained in Reform’s provisional manifesto, the policy states:

*Asylum claims that arrive though safe countries will be processed rapidly offshore in British Overseas Territories. This will stop the scandal of undocumented asylum seekers absconding to work illegally or commit crime.”

However

"Nigel Farage appeared to ditch a key Reform UK policy live on air, admitting that his party’s plan to process asylum seekers in British Overseas Territories is “not terribly practical”.

"He was challenged over the party’s “secure detention for all asylum seekers” plan."

"Presenter Mishal Husain said: “Have you looked into it, because overseas territories include the Falkland Islands, Gibraltar, Montserrat, Turks and Caicos Islands.If you’re putting this forward, which overseas territories would be open to this?”

The new Reform UK leader replied: “I don’t think it’s terribly practical.” Ms Husain replied: “What… the policy you’ve put forward is not practical?”

Mr Farage, who sensationally took back control of the party on Monday, said: “I think it is a very difficult policy to work, and I have not put it forward by the way.

I took over yesterday, so give me more than 12 hours and I will sort a few things out.”

(Still not sorted out)
www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/nigel-farage-reform-uk-immigration-general-election-b2556227.html

So what do Farage supporters think he is actually proposing that is so radical and will solve all?

(sorry for repeats!)

‘Suella Braverman, his predecessor as home secretary, has been deserted by key allies who predict she may not enter the contest due to a lack of support since her departure from government last November.
Allies believe that even if she did decide to run, it would not be a serious bid and motivated more by trying to secure a senior role in the shadow cabinet.
One figure close to Braverman said she had “fallen by the wayside” thanks to her frequent public interventions that colleagues saw more as self-serving than in the long-term interests of the party. “Suella’s a busted flush,” they added.
Other Conservative colleagues said her call for Nigel Farage to be welcomed into the party last week did not go down well.
Another ally said: “She’s done.”
The pool of contenders is likely to be shrunk further after the latest YouGov MRP poll predicted that several leading figures such as Penny Mordaunt, the Commons leader, Grant Shapps, the defence secretary and Robert Jenrick, the former immigration minister, are on course to lose their seats’.
Apologies if this has already been mentioned. It’s in todays Times in an article about Cleverly.

Of course, Farage will win Clacton but the real worry for the Tories is who get can get through to lead the Party post election. Anyone for Truss or Pritti Patel?

Germanshepherdsmum

The choice is between Sunak and Starmer. Starmer will do nothing to stop the scrounging illegal migrants. He’s a human rights lawyer. Speaks for itself. Giving Sunak the opportunity to send them to Rwanda is our best hope of stopping them or getting rid of them.

In your opinion, GSM.

I’m a bit surprised about your determined support of your Party when they have had nearly 14 years to get a workable policy together. You’re very bright and very well read, so you’ll know that the only thing Rwanda can do is act as a deterrent, which it hasn’t done thus far.

How much has it cost so far? How many people are actually eligible and how much will it ultimately cost per head?

Rwanda, like France, must be laughing all the way to the bank!

If a guaranteed safe haven, with accommodation and jobs was genuinely found I don’t think many of us would object quite so much. Even the Tory back benchers don’t approve of this scheme.

Boz

Of course, Farage will win Clacton but the real worry for the Tories is who get can get through to lead the Party post election. Anyone for Truss or Pritti Patel?

Why are you so sure Farage will win Clacton?? Do you live there?

LizzieDrip

^My ex husband is German and this is exactly why Hitler was supported. He knew what to say to appeal to the masses^

Precisely Syracute.

Hitler put across his dangerous rhetoric in a highly persuasive manner and, even though the content was vile, he convinced a nation. He employed fear tactics and ‘othering’. Farage uses the same approach. Farage knows that exactly what he’s doing - just as Hitler did.

The people who refuse to learn from history are the truly stupid ones.

👏👏👏👏👏👏👏

Cossy

Boz

Of course, Farage will win Clacton but the real worry for the Tories is who get can get through to lead the Party post election. Anyone for Truss or Pritti Patel?

Why are you so sure Farage will win Clacton?? Do you live there?

I think his celebrity status will get him votes plus this seat will have been chosen for him because of the sharp anti-immigration feeling in this part of the UK.
I live in the West Midlands.