Keir starmer

Please tell me which exceptions there are to the no work rule?

ill informed? No

patronising? No

wading in? Possibly ( should know better)

Why don’t you look it up on Google? You will find all the information you need about applications to work on the Gov websites I said, ill informed and patronising.

Do you know what? I know in my heart that I am a decent, kind human being. I can live with myself and I can live with your horrible insults too.

But from here on in for my own well being, I will not be engaging.

Fine by me. Telling you that you are ill informed and patronising is being truthful, not insulting. If you can’t accept that what you state as fact is wholly incorrect that’s your problem not mine.

GSM perhaps you could enlighten me as to what part of Zakoumma’s post is ‘ill informed’. I don’t see it myself but I’m sure you can point it out.

With regarding to it being ‘patronising’, that surely is a matter of opinion rather than fact. What you may consider patronising, someone else may not. Perhaps you could qualify your comment by saying ‘IMO’?

Try googling to find out about jobs for which asylum seekers are permitted to apply.

Is telling someone, as if they have no idea, that some asylum seekers might be well educated and others used to farm work, not patronising?

Germanshepherdsmum

zakouma66

Germanshepherdsmum

I was referring to the type of work suggested - I see no reason why they shouldn’t do it (unpaid, they cost us enough already) but I’m not a lefty lawyer.

They can’t do work which requires a DBS check.

You know people seeking asylum can't work. They bring with them a variety of skills. Strangely enough, they are pretty much like other people, some are educated to a high standard and professionals, some are more used to farm work and everything in between.

Its nothing to do with DBS. They are not permitted to work. End of.

Don’t be so patronising. I am fully aware that they are not generally allowed to work at present but there are exceptions of which you seem unaware. We were discussing what they might usefully be permitted to do. Perhaps you should check the facts before wading in with an ill-informed and unpleasant post.

GSM it was you who brought up the fact that they don't have a DBS (now more usually CRB incidentally). Why bother if you are aware that asylum seekers are not allowed to work?

I didn't call you ill informed, either for being out of date about the check, or for the implication that it is because of the checks that they can't work. There is really no need to resort to this kind of thing. People have different opinions and are simply airing them. zakouma was not being unpleasant or patronising, and I don't know why you think her post was ill-informed.

Of course I am suggesting that people are paid for work they do. They can then pay for their rent and food. Forced labour has never been allowed in Britain AFAIK. Not since the feudal system, anyway. Comparing asylum seekers with volunteers is disingenuous, as the whole point of volunteering is giving your time free. As for comparing them to criminals, words fail me, as I refuse to sink to the level of insults becoming common on here.

They are allowed to apply for permission to work in certain occupations Doodledog. Don’t you know that? It has been discussed on GN in the past. I didn’t imply that they couldn’t work at all if they hadn’t been checked - but obviously they couldn’t work with certain people without being checked. And CRB checks are now called DBS checks. Perhaps you would care to withdraw your insults,

The checks you are talking about are DBS. They were CRB before. Many people still refer to them as CRB just as people refer to X as twitter. I think if you are used to something it stays in your head I guess.
We have a lot of care jobs advertised, but some Asylum seekers cannot go for them as DBS sometimes cannot get the information they require.

Asylum seekers who have not had a decision on their claim within 12 months can work as long as they don't need a DBS, if they can't have their paperwork checked.

However, at Wethersfield the asylum seekers are in theory newly arrived asylum seekers and they're not supposed to be there for more than nine months. Therefore, they're not able to work. Volunteers have set up some projects, including the aforementioned gardening project, art classes and English language classes. However, those don't keep them fully occupied. They have some limited access to counselling. A friend of mine works with some of them and it's almost universal that they would like to do something purposeful.

Siope

Gawd.

I guess what’s obvious is that your friend doesn’t much care about facts.

fullfact.org/online/keir-starmer-court-illegal-immigrants/

I knew I’d heard that lie before! The internet is full of them, but sadly, no matter how often you tell people not to believe everything your friends post, or your algorithm sends you to when you google, these stories are still going around. As well as the five star hotels story, there are ones about free cars, driving lessons, mobile phones, Big Issue sellers living in luxury detached homes, schools demanding halal meals, Sharia law being introduced, and many more, which people are quick to share. I had one colleague who insisted that a neighbour of his got whisky on prescription because he was a ‘ registered alcoholic’!

Germanshepherdsmum

They are allowed to apply for permission to work in certain occupations Doodledog. Don’t you know that? It has been discussed on GN in the past. I didn’t imply that they couldn’t work at all if they hadn’t been checked - but obviously they couldn’t work with certain people without being checked. And CRB checks are now called DBS checks. Perhaps you would care to withdraw your insults,

You keep changing your mind about what you know and don't know, and what is allowed or not.

I'm not being insulting, I am being very restrained. If you can show me anything I have said that is insulting, I would certainly consider withdrawing it, but I'd be surprised if that is the case.

419 arrived in dinghies today. 126 were intercepted by the French.

Primrose53, there has only been one other boat (containing 65) in the week since the election, 13,195 had arrived this year to 26th June, which works out at 507 per week. This week there have been 484. Probably the weather.

growstuff

It wasn't patronising, ill-informed or unpleasant.

It was all of those things.

Asylum seekers are allowed to work if certain criteria have been met.

The way it was written was patronising. Of course we know asylum seekers come from all backgrounds, countries, some educated, some skilled, some not.