Keir starmer

BevSec

Also posters on here do not hesitate to badmouth Boris.

But they’re having to restore the values that they themselves have destroyed. The decent ones were all thrown out of the party. They have brought it upon themselves!

BevSec

Also posters on here do not hesitate to badmouth Boris.

‘Badmouthing’ a former PM who has evidentially proved that he was unfit to lead the country is not the same thing at all as spreading untruths BevSec. Bury your head in the sand if you wish, but bear in mind that most Gransnetters are not fools who will believe what you say unless you have proof. Don’t underestimate our collective knowledge base, or you will get jumped on, and rightly so.

BevSec

I didnt know it was not the whole truth Doodledog. That is what I believe happened to Boris. I have to say the level of aggression on here is high.

Nice try, but just a bit OTT even for some of the threads on here.

Please do let us know what ‘your friend’ sends you on 5th July? .

Posting nonsense, when challenged accepting it isn’t the whole truth, then comparing it with ‘what happened to Boris’ - takes some brass neck.
Johnson proved to be a serial liar.

To my mind, I am not much bothered about Kier Starmer.
To my mind, it is the Party we would be voting for. KS could be gone in 6 months.
Quickly followed by 4 more Labour Leaders for example, before the 5 years is up.

Ditto of course, any other Party.
We vote for a Party as far as I am concerned.

Johnson is history. Gone but not forgotten.
Starmer could be the future and lies need to be called out.

That's the difference.

People seem to believe all sorts of statements that are doing the rounds on social media.

Some people seem to believe if it is in writing online it must be true. Just like the OP has demonstrated!! The statements being passed around on FB as the truth are astounding.

Chestnut

Whatever, it is partly true and that's bad enough. I am absolutely dreading a Labour government because under Starmer immigration will go through the roof. At least the Tories are making some attempt to control it (albeit weak and feeble) but soon there will be no control.

I agree Chestnut. It is not wholly untrue. The case resulted in the government being unable to refuse support for immigrants. It also reminds those who need reminding that Starmer was one of the human rights lawyers who act for illegal immigrants, and that it isn’t in his DNA to be tough with them. If we think things are bad now, wait and see how much worse they will be under his watch.

Whatever, it is partly true

That sums up ‘Boris’ and his premiership, really, and that of the Tory party at this time. It’s one of the reasons why Bevsec’s ‘friend’ is likely to be disappointed when the election results are announced. People are fed up with the lack of integrity that that attitude shows, and thank goodness for that.

I am a woman.
I’m 6ft tall with long, flowing blond hair.
I have sparkling blue eyes.
I’m 25 years old.
I’ve represented the UK at the Olympics.

OK, the above is not wholly untrue … I am a woman!

Germanshepherdsmum

Chestnut

Whatever, it is partly true and that's bad enough. I am absolutely dreading a Labour government because under Starmer immigration will go through the roof. At least the Tories are making some attempt to control it (albeit weak and feeble) but soon there will be no control.

I agree Chestnut. It is not wholly untrue. The case resulted in the government being unable to refuse support for immigrants. It also reminds those who need reminding that Starmer was one of the human rights lawyers who act for illegal immigrants, and that it isn’t in his DNA to be tough with them. If we think things are bad now, wait and see how much worse they will be under his watch.

GSM sums it up in a nutshell. Everyone should read that and realise that Starmer is going to make no effort to reduce immigration. So before you put your little tick in the box be very careful what you wish for.

I find the lies and fake news put out by the Tories dangerous and disturbing, so I’ve done a bit of research:

Tories censured for sharing misleading information on social media five times more often than Labour
The Independent, March 2024

Conservative Party used disinformation ‘with new level of impunity’ during 2019 general election, report finds
The Independent, August 2020

Investigation finds ‘88% of Tory ads misleading compared to 0% for Labour’
The Metro, Dec 2019

There’s plenty more but it’s so depressing that I had to stop. It feels like being scammed by your own government.

I know where I’m putting my X and I know why!

‘Five times more often than Labour’ - so Labour are at it too.

Chestnut

Whatever, it is partly true and that's bad enough. I am absolutely dreading a Labour government because under Starmer immigration will go through the roof. At least the Tories are making some attempt to control it (albeit weak and feeble) but soon there will be no control.

The Tories gave 800,000 legal immigrants visas this past year. They know the UK is in desperate need of immigrant workers because of our ageing population and the universities need the fee income from foreign students. They play up 'stop the boats' as a diversion from granting visas on a massive scale. Immigration is to be welcomed in our present state.

Posters "Badmouth" politicians they disagree with just as politicians badmouth each other constantly.

However, that different from posting a written defamatory lie, which is libellous.

Visas will be granted to those we welcome. I have no problem with controlled immigration - those who come on work or study visas. I have a significant problem with people arriving on boats without permission, often without any ID, who may or may not possess a useful skill and be able to support themselves. Remember that those granted work visas have to supply evidence of income - there is no ‘diversion’ going on.

The post was not defamatory Wyllow. It is fundamentally true - Starmer effectively prevented the government from being able to exercise the right it had to refuse support to immigrants.

Wyllow3

Posters "Badmouth" politicians they disagree with just as politicians badmouth each other constantly.

However, that different from posting a written defamatory lie, which is libellous.

Lies and whataboutery are both dishonest and desperate, but that seems to be all that's left for the Tories and their supporters.

As a Tory supporter I take exception to your accusation that I indulge in lies or whataboutery.

GSM here’s the link - you can read the figures for yourself (if you choose to):

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/conservative-government-misinformation-social-media-b2516194.html

It's not true, the benefits existed before Starmer had the position did, but the SM post clearly gives the impression he brought them in.

Fine. And I take exception to obvious 'mistruths' being posted on here, and the 'whatever - it's nearly true' attitude (which you endorsed) being used in mitigation. It is dishonest, and you know it.

Whataboutery is what happens on every political thread - what about the Iraq War, FGS! Yes it was awful (I marched against it) but it was over 30 years ago. If you don't think that's sounding increasingly desperate, I do.

Wyllow, the benefits could be denied before the case in which Starmer acted for the immigrants. He was just a barrister then.

Five times more often than Labour’ - so Labour are at it too

GSM this is whataboutery. Take all the exception you like.

Germanshepherdsmum

The post was not defamatory Wyllow. It is fundamentally true - Starmer effectively prevented the government from being able to exercise the right it had to refuse support to immigrants.

I think you'll find that it was the law, as interpreted by the judge, which prevented the government, not Starmer.

Or do you not believe in the Rule of Law?