What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

Dickens but it’s more than one or two “extremists”, there are extremists amongst the candidates, those who support him actively and those who wish to vote for him.

Rhetoric about "British Values " seems to suggest that these are not shared by others. Is this true? Are these not the values of people in Denmark? New Zealand? Holland?
Why is this seen by some as purely the prerogative of the Reform Party leadership?

Galaxy

Again it's the impossibility of having any kind of conversation as Dickens alluded to. I dont support them cossy but because I am trying to have some sort of conversation you jump to the conclusion that I do. There is no point.

No, Galaxy, my comment wasn’t directed at any one individual, rather at those on here who have openly supported Reform UK, and whilst I utterly emphasise with people’s frustration about where we are now, and all the issues surrounding them, not just immigration, this is so much more than just immigration. I am genuinely both interested and alarmed at the rise of Reform, along with Farage, Tice, Widdecombe etc.

Galaxy

And that was a perfect example of what Dickens was talking about.

Yup Galaxy.

We have a poster on here, Urmstongran who declared a while back now, that she intended to vote for Reform (haven't seen her posting for a while, I hope all's OK at her end).

Anyway, her politics and mine are totally opposed, but I have spoken with her off-forum, and she is a kind and decent person, and there is no way she can be thought of as having nazi 'tendencies'.

I think she's wrong, but she sees things differently.

Reform is Right Wing - but both Left and Right attract extremists. When Momentum was created, with its plausible idealistic aims, it also attracted one or two undesirable militants who were more into anarchy than any other structure, and according to my grandson, racists as well.

However, Farage needs to get a grip and stop with the Trumpian deep-state conspiracies. He was the obvious replacement for Tice but he's not done the platform any favours since Tice's departure.

Primrose53

Cossy

Oreo

Dismissing voters views often leads to bad outcomes.France could now end up with Le Pen in control.

I’m not sure we are dismissing voters views, rather questioning them, worried about them and refuting them.

I’ve seen and heard more than enough about Reform’s “rallies”.

They sound and feel “Trumpish@, bordering on “cultish” and frankly I find it scary!

Nobody can ever match Corbyn as the most dangerous man in British politics.

And it’s very apt that Glasto is on this weekend when just a very few years ago, crowds of teenagers and champagne socialists were there chanting “ooh Jeremy Corbyn”. There he was in his Stalin cap lapping it all up and imagining himself in No 10.
He thought it was guaranteed just as many pollsters did.
Look how that turned out! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Corbyn and Farage are two sides of the same coin. That’s the irony, that it tends to be those who hate Corbyn who love Farage and vice versa. Most of us view the actions of both more dispassionately.

Out of interest, as it is the event of the weekend before the election, was there a Farage movement at Glastonbury too, I haven’t heard either way?

Yes but somethings are either right or wrong surely? And a lot of this is so very wrong.

Dickens - many thanks for continuing to develop debate. We are in dangerous waters when things are so,polarised.
This is a very unedifying thread.
Calling other posters ‘catty schoolgirls’ gives a real flavour

He was quite successful in mobilising the leave vote.

Primrose53

Cossy

Oreo

Dismissing voters views often leads to bad outcomes.France could now end up with Le Pen in control.

I’m not sure we are dismissing voters views, rather questioning them, worried about them and refuting them.

I’ve seen and heard more than enough about Reform’s “rallies”.

They sound and feel “Trumpish@, bordering on “cultish” and frankly I find it scary!

Nobody can ever match Corbyn as the most dangerous man in British politics.

And it’s very apt that Glasto is on this weekend when just a very few years ago, crowds of teenagers and champagne socialists were there chanting “ooh Jeremy Corbyn”. There he was in his Stalin cap lapping it all up and imagining himself in No 10.
He thought it was guaranteed just as many pollsters did.
Look how that turned out! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

But the point is - he didn’t

As I have stated we don’t on the whole do extremes in the U.K. which means that Farage and his extremism and cultish Trumpian following, will eventually get short shrift.

Again it's the impossibility of having any kind of conversation as Dickens alluded to. I dont support them cossy but because I am trying to have some sort of conversation you jump to the conclusion that I do. There is no point.

Cossy

Oreo

Dismissing voters views often leads to bad outcomes.France could now end up with Le Pen in control.

I’m not sure we are dismissing voters views, rather questioning them, worried about them and refuting them.

I’ve seen and heard more than enough about Reform’s “rallies”.

They sound and feel “Trumpish@, bordering on “cultish” and frankly I find it scary!

Nobody can ever match Corbyn as the most dangerous man in British politics.

And it’s very apt that Glasto is on this weekend when just a very few years ago, crowds of teenagers and champagne socialists were there chanting “ooh Jeremy Corbyn”. There he was in his Stalin cap lapping it all up and imagining himself in No 10.
He thought it was guaranteed just as many pollsters did.
Look how that turned out! 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Isn’t Ke Pen about to take control because she’s duped people into thinking that it’s no longer like her father’s party but now much nicer?

Sorry “Trumpish”

Oreo

Dismissing voters views often leads to bad outcomes.France could now end up with Le Pen in control.

I’m not sure we are dismissing voters views, rather questioning them, worried about them and refuting them.

I’ve seen and heard more than enough about Reform’s “rallies”.

They sound and feel “Trumpish@, bordering on “cultish” and frankly I find it scary!

Casdon

Just to expand a bit on what Galaxy posted, officially the five British Values are democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty, and mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs and for those without faith. (expansion of the final point is important).
These are the fundamental values that have been developed by the UK Government in an attempt to create social unity and prevent extremism.

Not sure any of us would argue with this?

I ask again, what is Reform’s view or belief or their definition of British values?

FranP

JudyBloom

I find it truly shocking that some people have it in for Nigel Farage. He speaks for the silent majority in this country. He is not racist in any shape or form. He is the only one to tell the truth of what is really going on - the poisoning of our way of life, the indoctrination of our children, all the woke idealogy, killing our democracy and decency and he is the only one who has the guts to challenge it and put the British people first, whatever their creed or colour. It is an absolute disgrace that the establishment disparage him. He is not far right. People need to be educated. Well done Nigel !

It is a slippery slope into Nazism, when eloquent people like Farage make it all sound defensible and reasonable, and gentle folks listen.
A couple of facts:
About 1,200 medically qualified refugees are recorded on the British Medical Association’s database. It is estimated that it costs around £25,000 to support a refugee doctor to practise in the UK. Training a new doctor is estimated to cost between £200,000 and £250,000
41% of refugees across the world are children, so are likely to assimilate more easily int their new society
A European regulation allows countries in the EU to return an adult asylum applicant to the first European country they reached, but we do not do that.
People seeking asylum are NOT allowed to work - thus aggravating assertions of cost - not their fault, but they are being blamed
Only about 0.5% of the population are refugees, and only 3,000 folks in Calais - that is something like 3 people for each UK town - hardly the invasion that he is indicating. His publicity, however, makes people think there is.

To quote Paul Simon " people talking without speaking"

varian

"Reform" is not a political party like the Conservative Party, the Labour Party, the Liberal Democrats, the Green Party, the Scottish National Party, Paid Cymru, the Alliance Party of Northern Ireland, the Ulster Unionist Party, the Democratic Unionist Party, the SDLP, or any other normal political party in the UK.

In all of these legitimate political parties members have a say in party policy, selection of candidates and party leader.

Reform is a private company owned largely by Nigel Farage who has appointed himself leader, determined party policy and paid a commercial organisation to vet candidates, many of whom have been shown to be unacceptable in their attitudes and behaviour.

Fans of Nigel Farage may have paid subscriptions or donated money but that gives them no say. Reform is to all intents and purposes a one man band.

Even so because of Farage's undoubted gift of the gab - and his Trump-like ability to lie and repeat his lies with no shame, and the helpful support of the Kremlin and the right wing media in the UK, many many voters are being duped into voting for this charlatan and his racist rabble.

👏👏👏👏

Galaxy

Yes they are rejecting the left in many places, might be useful to think about why that might be, calling people stupid and nazis doesnt seem to have been the most successful strategy.

Most of us haven’t called anyone on here Nazi’s or stupid!

Many of us are very worried about the rhetoric and “feel” of Reform UK.

Again, I ask why would you support people who have issues with LGBT people and hold some deep rooted prejudices?

I’ve no problem with strong opposition, there are good and not so good MPs across all parties, none as divisive as Reform, none as sly and sneaky as Farage.

Koalama

Nicenanny3,
They think because we are voting reform, we are being hood winked 🤷, I, as an educated woman, say, what was kind of said at the rally today, when your doing well (reform party) they have to come at you some way. I rest my case. Let them carry on. They'll be betting on us next 😁

Eh? Could you explain more clearly, please.

"Reform" is not a political party like the Conservative Party, the Labour Party, the Liberal Democrats, the Green Party, the Scottish National Party, Paid Cymru, the Alliance Party of Northern Ireland, the Ulster Unionist Party, the Democratic Unionist Party, the SDLP, or any other normal political party in the UK.

In all of these legitimate political parties members have a say in party policy, selection of candidates and party leader.

Reform is a private company owned largely by Nigel Farage who has appointed himself leader, determined party policy and paid a commercial organisation to vet candidates, many of whom have been shown to be unacceptable in their attitudes and behaviour.

Fans of Nigel Farage may have paid subscriptions or donated money but that gives them no say. Reform is to all intents and purposes a one man band.

Even so because of Farage's undoubted gift of the gab - and his Trump-like ability to lie and repeat his lies with no shame, and the helpful support of the Kremlin and the right wing media in the UK, many many voters are being duped into voting for this charlatan and his racist rabble.

‘Our Labour candidate is passionate about getting more girls studying computing. She says says it was Gove who stopped that happening when he was education Secretary.‘

He also stopped Labour’s Foundation Learning initiative, which was a programme of skills and learning for 14 - 16 year olds who were not pursuing a full GCSE programme.

Merion

zakouma66. Ian Gribbin's views on women are really frightening. Then there are the other tweets from a stream of Reform candidates calling women bints, bitches, sluts and hags plus the derogatory remarks about Jo Cox. It's an appalling catalogue of misogyny. If these are examples of British values, I'm glad not to share them.

But "we" still voted for Margaret Thatcher, whose "return to Victorian values" would have had working class children out of education, women unable to vote and few able to earn money.

That's kind of the point of votes for women. They can vote for who they like.

Just to expand a bit on what Galaxy posted, officially the five British Values are democracy, the rule of law, individual liberty, and mutual respect for and tolerance of those with different faiths and beliefs and for those without faith. (expansion of the final point is important).
These are the fundamental values that have been developed by the UK Government in an attempt to create social unity and prevent extremism.

Dismissing voters views often leads to bad outcomes.France could now end up with Le Pen in control.