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What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 28-Jun-24 10:25:05

I’ve pinched this question from James O’Brian. And to me it is obvious, - they are fascists - talking about replacing the police with paramilitaries and bringing back the death penalty as well as shoot f….g immigrants has huge echoes of 1930s Germany.

So why would you vote for him?

zakouma66 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:42:58

Nicenanny3

A MAN WHO SPEAKS WITH BRITISH PASSION

ZIA YUSUF TODAY GAVE A SPEECH THAT ENCAPSULATED EVERYTHING THAT BRITAIN HOLDS DEAR, VALUES, HISTORY, CULTURE AND PRIDE. SPOKEN WITH PASSION AND A TONE THAT ECHOED BRITISH FORTITUDE. TODAY TRULY HIGHLIGHTED THE STRENGTH AND DETERMINATION OF REFORM UK THAT COULD NEVER BE MATCHED BY A WEAK TORY PARTY AND A COMPLETELY DELUDED LABOUR PARTY...REFORM UK IS THE PARTY OF BRITAIN.

WE THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN ARE FED UP OF THE POLITICAL ELITE WHO WILL WATCH AS OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S PROUD VALUES ARE ERODED IN FRONT OF OUR EYES. OUR BRITAIN THAT HAS GIVEN THE WORLD SO MUCH FROM SCIENCE TO EXPLORATION OUR NATION HAS PAVED THE WAY FOR THE WORLD TO FLOURISH. OVER CENTURIES OUR SERVICE PERSONNEL HAVE FACED OPPRESSION TO PROTECT THOSE WHO COULD NOT DEFEND THEMSELVES.

NO MORE AGENDAS NO MORE DIVISION WE MUST VOTE REFORM UK JULY 4TH AND UNITE A BRITAIN THE OTHER PARTIES WILL TO THEIR BEST TO DESTROY. FED UP BRITS, FORGOTTEN VETERANS, STRUGGLING BRITISH FAMILIES LETS BRING PROSPERITY BACK TO THE UK.
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Oh dear blush

Nicenanny3 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:41:15

18:38Primrose53

Thank you Primrose appreciate your post 👏👏👏

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:41:03

I appreciate your look at how feelings and fears affect how we post Dickens.

However this election has been run it seems to me on negativity and fear in order to try and keep Labour out (or in

Nicenanny3 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:40:01

A MAN WHO SPEAKS WITH BRITISH PASSION

ZIA YUSUF TODAY GAVE A SPEECH THAT ENCAPSULATED EVERYTHING THAT BRITAIN HOLDS DEAR, VALUES, HISTORY, CULTURE AND PRIDE. SPOKEN WITH PASSION AND A TONE THAT ECHOED BRITISH FORTITUDE. TODAY TRULY HIGHLIGHTED THE STRENGTH AND DETERMINATION OF REFORM UK THAT COULD NEVER BE MATCHED BY A WEAK TORY PARTY AND A COMPLETELY DELUDED LABOUR PARTY...REFORM UK IS THE PARTY OF BRITAIN.

WE THE PEOPLE OF BRITAIN ARE FED UP OF THE POLITICAL ELITE WHO WILL WATCH AS OUR COUNTRY AND IT'S PROUD VALUES ARE ERODED IN FRONT OF OUR EYES. OUR BRITAIN THAT HAS GIVEN THE WORLD SO MUCH FROM SCIENCE TO EXPLORATION OUR NATION HAS PAVED THE WAY FOR THE WORLD TO FLOURISH. OVER CENTURIES OUR SERVICE PERSONNEL HAVE FACED OPPRESSION TO PROTECT THOSE WHO COULD NOT DEFEND THEMSELVES.

NO MORE AGENDAS NO MORE DIVISION WE MUST VOTE REFORM UK JULY 4TH AND UNITE A BRITAIN THE OTHER PARTIES WILL TO THEIR BEST TO DESTROY. FED UP BRITS, FORGOTTEN VETERANS, STRUGGLING BRITISH FAMILIES LETS BRING PROSPERITY BACK TO THE UK.
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zakouma66 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:38:58

“Right now all men pay for all women: we pay 80% of tax and you take out 80%. The fact you’re able to write on a technological device is all down to us.
“The cultural feminisation of the west is a disaster of epic proportions. We have elevated female characteristics – especially neuroticism, to the highest levels. Hysteria is now common place. The evidence from repeated psychologically testing is that women are appalling at taking criticism.
“Modern feminism belongs in the sewer of self hate from which it came: you say it yourself, you’re all jealous of the perceived freedoms of men.”
Ian Gribbin from Reform said this

Primrose53 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:38:24

Casdon

Instead of lashing out at everybody whose view is different to yours Nicenanny3, why not articulate why you are voting Reform? More than two sentences of sound bites would be good, as I’ve not seen a thought through, detailed post from you yet?

That’s really unfair. nicenanny3 has not lashed out at anyone. I think she has made her case clearly and has been very polite even when Zakouma called her a “malicious racist.”

I think you are scraping the bottom of the barrel now. Her views might be the complete opposite of yours but you should respect her instead of behaving like a catty 15 year old.

Casdon Sun 30-Jun-24 18:36:11

Cumbrianmale56

This election will see almost two out of five voters vote for the so called minor parties, a record, and a sign that for all Starmer will get his beloved landslide, there are millions of voters who are fed up with the two main parties and their negative, back biting behaviour and second rate leaders. I think this should be a wake up call for the two main parties, as well as millions staying at home, that people are fed up with the political system.

I’m impressed with the clarity of your crystal ball predicting the turnout and the result. You must join our election day virtual sweepstake.

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:34:29

Whitewavemark2

dickens do you think that Trump and Farage are similar in their ideology?

They share social media platforms like National Pulse, I think the connections are more than superficial. Look at Trump and Farage on the opening page.

thenationalpulse.com/about/

The editor in chief of this website mainly based in USA now
is is a British political activist, former editor-in-chief of Breitbart News London, and former chief adviser to former UK Independence Party (UKIP) leader Nigel Farage.

He has been described as far-right and right-wing by several media publications. Kassam formerly ran in the party's November 2016 leadership election.

zakouma66 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:33:38

Nicenanny3

Chocolatelovinggran

Nicenanny, Britain has always been Great. The name is, I understand, to differentiate it from Brittany.
No political party can, or ever has, made us less/ more "Great" .There is no need for GB to be made " Great again".

I honestly don't think it's great now, Britain is broken and needs reform that's why I'm voting for The Reform Party our last hope to save our country.

Saving it from what?

What are your hopes and dreams for where you live?

Cumbrianmale56 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:32:48

This election will see almost two out of five voters vote for the so called minor parties, a record, and a sign that for all Starmer will get his beloved landslide, there are millions of voters who are fed up with the two main parties and their negative, back biting behaviour and second rate leaders. I think this should be a wake up call for the two main parties, as well as millions staying at home, that people are fed up with the political system.

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:27:57

Not sure all the attendees at the rally were even from the UK.
spot the Trump cap......

Nicenanny3 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:23:05

Chocolatelovinggran

Nicenanny, Britain has always been Great. The name is, I understand, to differentiate it from Brittany.
No political party can, or ever has, made us less/ more "Great" .There is no need for GB to be made " Great again".

I honestly don't think it's great now, Britain is broken and needs reform that's why I'm voting for The Reform Party our last hope to save our country.

Nicenanny3 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:20:09

Koalama

Nicenanny3

5,000 supporters at Birmingham rally for Reform Party..
Watched every bit of it, Farage has mine and my husbands vote now 👏👏

Way to go Koalama 👏👏👏
Yes the Birmingham rally was great. Fingers crossed for a good result on polling day 🤞

Whitewavemark2 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:19:43

dickens do you think that Trump and Farage are similar in their ideology?

zakouma66 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:16:08

Never mind, it will soon be over. The hate crime, people being kicked and spat at and abused will sadly continue. Kids covered in flea bites will still be turning up at foodbanks. People seeking asylum will still be treated like cattle.

Casdon Sun 30-Jun-24 18:11:40

The last time large numbers of people regularly turned out for political rallies was for Jeremy Corbyn. It didn’t guarantee success, but it demonstrated that people were swept up in the moment. I watched the speeches at the Reform rally this afternoon, and was unimpressed at how little detail there was on policy, and how much time was devoted to defending the position of Reform on migration and to apologising for the bad candidates- weeding out the bad apples is now apparently complete and they will never return, according to Nigel Farage.

Subsequently, Reform UK candidate for Erewash, Liam Booth-Isherwood has disowned the party, following what he called “reports of widespread racism and sexism”.

I know who I believe, but whatever happens between now and the election, there will be further revelations about what’s going on behind the scenes and some Reform supporters won’t believe anybody except Farage’s version of events.

Galaxy Sun 30-Jun-24 18:08:10

And that was a perfect example of what Dickens was talking about.

zakouma66 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:06:03

They could look to Green or Independent? They don't need to look to a Nazi.

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:05:54

(quotes from I player live feed, I expect will be in MSM soon.)

Wyllow3 Sun 30-Jun-24 18:04:38

Another Reform Candidate has pulled out - and left the Reform Party

"Liam Booth-Isherwood, the Reform UK candidate for Erewash, said there is a “significant moral issue” in parts of the party following what he called “reports of widespread racism and sexism”.
He added the failure of the party’s leadership to address the issue means he no longer wants to be associated with it.

"In a statement, Booth-Isherwood said that "over the past few weeks" he has become "increasingly disillusioned with the behaviour and conduct of Reform".

“Whilst I have campaigned alongside many decent, honest and hardworking people during the course of the General Election campaign in Erewash,

the reports of widespread racism and sexism in Reform have made clear that there is a significant moral issue within certain elements of the party, and the failure of the Party’s leadership to not only take this matter seriously, but also to fundamentally address it, has made clear to me that this is no longer a party I want to be associated with he added."

He has endorsed the conservative Candidate.

Oreo Sun 30-Jun-24 18:03:30

I think that’s a well thoughtful post Dickens. If voters feel that nobody is listening from the main parties they will look at what else is on offer.

Galaxy Sun 30-Jun-24 18:02:53

Brilliant post Dickens.

Dickens Sun 30-Jun-24 17:59:33

I understand, to some extent anyway, the lure of a political platform like Reform.

People - from all walks of life - feel disenfranchised and disillusioned with the 2-party state - disenfranchised in the sense that their voice(s) are not listened to whilst the (supposed) Left and Right are slugging it out with each other.

And there is a 'narrative' I think, on both Left and Right, which means that anyone who strays outside it and asks questions or gives opinions that are not part of the perspective of that particular party, often gets short-shrift.

I've stuck my toe in the water and would like to go in a bit deeper, but even I'm nervous about going off-piste, politically.

I do though - with friends and acquaintances, because they know me and are less likely to misconstrue what I say, even if what I say surprises them. And vice versa.

But on GN, and just about any other SM site, we just look at the words, take them at face value, or process them through our own political / ideological mental machinery and spit them out if they don't fit or sit-well within it. And then castigate the poster.

And when you also take into account that we all have different ways of expressing ourselves which, on 'paper' doesn't always work as well as it might work in physical company, it's easy to understand why insults are hurled.

Basically, what I'm suggesting is that Reform appears to give a voice to those who believe they are not being listened to, and that's quite a lot of people whose views don't slot neatly into the confined ideology of Right or Left. Then exasperation sets in and insults fly around, from all political directions.

The crux of the matter is, as far as I see it anyway, that even those who we might think are not 'politically correct' cannot be ignored and / or insulted ad nauseum - because they are expressing their reality, their experience, which we might have no notion about because it doesn't align with our experience.

So up pops Reform, just at the right juncture. Giving those who believe they are the silent majority (which is definitely a debatable matter), the voice they feel they've been denied.

... I still don't approve of the misogynistic elements Reform seems to attract though...

Cumbrianmale56 Sun 30-Jun-24 17:59:03

I'm sick of the same old Labour and Conservative show and the undemocratic electoral system that gives parties with well under half the vote landslide victories where they act like they're invincible. I might vote Lib Dem purely to give someone else a chance as I had considered Reform until Farage's stupid comments about Ukraine and the revelations about some of his activists.

Oreo Sun 30-Jun-24 17:56:39

Whitewavemark2

Oreo

Whitewavemark2

oreo what is it about Labour that attracts your vote?

Why so aggressive?
I’ve already answered this question from you when I sure didn’t have to.

Can you direct me to your answer please I don’t remember seeing it.

What was aggressive about my question?

It was aggressive to ask twice when I had already answered, almost straight away on the page before this one.
Unless you had already forgotten that question had been asked just ten minutes ago?