What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

Allsorts

Well next week the miracles begin. Lets see how.

I’m imagining Nigel Farage standing on the sea single handedly turning back boats when you say miracles. I’m very glad that Labour haven’t promised any.

We had our peculiar far right moment which brought about Brexit and division and hate.

It wasn't just people on the right who voted for Brexit. Labour Leave was a campaign group, for instance.
Tony Blair first mooted a referendum but did not proceed with it. I think Cameron assumed (wrongly) that the result would be a firm vote to stay and was as shocked as many of us at the result. Even Farage seemed shocked and surprised (but elated).

So no, it wouldn't be right to blame the so-called far right.

Yes, it has left divisions and caused damage in so many ways.

We had our peculiar far right moment which brought about Brexit and division and hate

What are you putting in your tea?
Crikey - holding a referendum doesn’t make a country far right.
Is Scotland a far right Country? How many referendums for independence have they had?
And you bang on about division & hate yet laugh & ridicule people who vote differently to you?
It’s hard to know what your motives really are - I’m not sure you know yourself tbh.

Wouldn’t that be a Good Thing.
Imagine if there is also an attempt to work constructively with the other European countries trying to find ways to help the flood of asylum seekers which as we all know, will increase due to climate change alongside wars / famine etc

Iam64

No one is suggesting miracles. The pro labour/libdem/green etc posters here are all expressing genuine concern about how the next government can begin the process of re-building our country

Yes I’m worried to death. I. Think a collaboration between all the non-right parties is needed.

Hand in hand - we all pull together😄.

No one is suggesting miracles. The pro labour/libdem/green etc posters here are all expressing genuine concern about how the next government can begin the process of re-building our country

Well next week the miracles begin. Lets see how.

Laughter much needed during the discussions here about the jester Farage. Thanks Led By Donkeys

I just LOVE the Led By Donkeys poster at the Columbine Centre😄😄😄😄👍👍👍

The only way to treat these people is to laugh at them!

MayBee70

At a time when many countries are turning to far right parties I’m so proud of the fact that we, hopefully, are going the other way. And will be world leaders because of it. Maybe we can all work together to make the UK a better place? Is it too much to ask?

I like to think that we are ahead of the curve in the UK.

We had our peculiar far right moment which brought about Brexit and division and hate.

Not so extreme of course, but the U.K. doesn’t do extreme.

Now I am looking to a future which bring about the reverse of division and hate as well as the economic harm we’ve inflicted on ourselves.

Step by step, slowly snd steadily. There is much to do.

I hope so.

At a time when many countries are turning to far right parties I’m so proud of the fact that we, hopefully, are going the other way. And will be world leaders because of it. Maybe we can all work together to make the UK a better place? Is it too much to ask?

Thank you Dickens for your succinct summary, so well put.

MayBee70

Just remind me of how many people were going to be sent to Rwanda?

52.000 at any given time max.

We've known from the start that Starmer was not going to use the Rwanda Scheme, what's new tonight?

Sunak need not have called an election, he could have gone right ahead with the Rwanda scheme:

and had long stopped any assessments of migrants in the UK causing this huge build up.

Have to love Led By Donkeys

www.youtube.com/watch?v=KBoDiuN2WoY

Someone has made a version with the first verse of Right Said Fred as a soundtrack which is great, but I can’t link to that.

Whitewavemark2

Just listening to “things can only get better” and found myself grinning like mad!

I'm afraid it's been banned:
www.theguardian.com/politics/article/2024/jun/01/things-can-only-get-better-group-ban-labour-from-using-song

Just remind me of how many people were going to be sent to Rwanda?

Just spotted this:
Quote: "Sir Keir has promised to cancel Mr Sunak's policy of sending migrants to Rwanda on 'day one' of a Labour Government – a move the Refugee Council estimates would lead to nearly 60,000 of those earmarked for deportation being granted asylum instead."
So straight away we have another 60,000 who need homes, hospitals, doctors, dentists and schools. It just never ends.

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Thank you Dickens. You’ve pretty much summarised a lot of things that I’ve been wanting to say and have done it much better than I could.

Dickens

Curtaintwitcher

The problem with our country at the moment is that there are too many people who just don't care or haven't the wherewithal to consider the consequences of....unlimited numbers of immigrants flooding into the country......our children being poorly educated.....the increase in crime, etc.
Those who do have the courage to protest are labelled with insults.
People like Farage are
bringing the problems out into the open and giving patriots a voice.

Curtaintwitcher, there might well be those who don't care about the consequences, but I suspect they're more likely to be those who use the issue as a means to rattle the chains of an electorate being bombarded with propaganda about immigrants as the cause of our economic problems in order to cover up the fact that the real cause is years of public services and infrastructure underfunding and cost cutting, coupled with privatisation which results in money being sucked out of the economy.

Obviously, immigration in large numbers is going to add to those problems, but it's not the root cause.

And why do you assume that patriotism is the preserve only of people like Farage?

... and what the heck is patriotism anyway? If I want to see the country, as a whole, become a more equitable nation without the huge wealth gap between the very wealthy and the impoverished, one where everyone gets an opportunity to create a fairly decent life for themselves - not to mention one whose government is respected on the world-stage... does that make me unpatriotic?

Immigration is a problem - but it's a global problem not one that only affects us, and it's going to escalate, and it's not one we can just opt out of. And certainly not one that can in any way be managed by cutting the funding of those government departments and agencies that deal with the nitty-gritty of processing immigrants' claims.

Do you think those of us who want a more temperate debate / discussion on immigration are ignorant of the fact that among those immigrants coming to our shores there will inevitably be criminals, trouble-makers, fraudsters, and those whose staunchly held belief in a culture alien to our own will cause friction? We are aware of these things - Farage is not educating anyone, he's rabble-rousing - attempting to garner support by playing on the fears and insecurities of a nation that is suffering an economic crisis / downturn.

It's quite obvious, if you take a look at the whole picture and consider the number of immigrants - from various nations - living peacefully and working productively, especially in our health services, that the biggest problem that besets the country is not immigrants or immigration - it's 14 years under governments that have focused their attention on keeping the status-quo, looking after, primarily, the interests of their donors, backers and assorted vested-interests at the expense of the majority of the population who've endured the same number of year's worth of austerity, watching the services they rely on diminish to the point where an ever-increasing number of people find it impossible to access them, where taxpayers are funding employers who won't pay a wage workers can live on, where full-time, worthwhile jobs are disappearing to be replaced by the 'flexibility' of a labour force that has to juggle gig-economy / contract work, most of it low-paid, and somehow find affordable accommodation in a high-rent market, where crime is out of control in certain areas and there aren't sufficient numbers of police to even attempt to deal with it...

Immigration is not the cause of these problems. If you put a ring of steel around the whole of our island and ended the arrival of the boats in one swoop - the government would still carry on with its public-spending cuts, privatisation policies, etc... and would then find a new scapegoat for the problems its ideology creates.

Farage knows all this.

So clearly said Dickens. Thank you for putting into words exactly what I feel!

Kandinsky

It’s just interesting that younger women are far more critical of labour and their views on women / trans issues than older women who were possibly at the forefront of the feminist movement?

I don't think that's the case, Kandinsky. It may appear so on here, but trans issues are not a left/right thing. Both left and right-leaning women unite on this issue as it is more personal than political.

I am unhappy with the LP's stance on this, but I am more unhappy with the Tories' trashing of the economy, their lack of concern for the poor, and too many other issues to mention without ranting to vote for them. I will, therefore, vote Labour, and continue to put pressure on the LP on this issue. I doubt that many people are 100% behind all the policies of any party - it's always a case of finding the one that is closest to your core values, even if they aren't in total alignment.

Also, I really don't think the MN/GN split is as great as you suggest. I post on both, and expect that others do too. MN has a lot of older members - probably more than there are 'young' ones on here.

One thing I've noticed on mumsnet is far, far more concerns and conflict about Palestine then in GN.

Kandinsky

It’s interesting how younger, traditionally labour voting women, are not at all happy with Labour and KS and actually fear them getting in. It’s all to do with the Trans debate which seems to pass the elderly on here by.
Mumsnet ( which is as left wing as this place ) rip KS apart.

How have you missed the numerous threads where trans issues have been discussed? It certainly hasn’t ’passed the elderly on here by’.
It raises real high feelings here, as it does in the dark side. Many of us on this forum share the concerns on mumsnet.
The trans activists have ensured this important issue gets huge media coverage. My feeling is yes it’s important but over shadowed by the devastation of public services directly caused by our government and the hope labour will attempt the need to improve things