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What is it that attracts racists, Islamaphobes, homophobes and general bigots to Nigel Farage?

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Whitewavemark2 Fri 28-Jun-24 10:25:05

I’ve pinched this question from James O’Brian. And to me it is obvious, - they are fascists - talking about replacing the police with paramilitaries and bringing back the death penalty as well as shoot f….g immigrants has huge echoes of 1930s Germany.

So why would you vote for him?

LizzieDrip Sat 29-Jun-24 12:55:47

Why the Conservative government has chosen to stop doing this and has relied on the "threat" of Rwanda is totally beyond me unless they intended to turn immigration into the election issue that it has become

Foxie IMO, this is precisely why the government has stopped processing asylum claims, and what a ridiculous thing to do. Even if the Rwanda plan was going to work (which it isn’t) only a few hundred people would be deported, so all those already here would still need their claims to be processed.

The government has deliberately ignored this in order to inflame the so-called ‘immigration problem’ - if it is a ‘problem’ it’s one of the government’s making.

Dickens Sat 29-Jun-24 12:25:04

Mt61

What about the Labour Party members kicked out by Kier Starmer, for racist comments?

Well whatabout it?

Racist bigots exist - in the LP too.

Starmer kicked them out.

Without trying to defend them, or pretend they were actors.

What more is there to say?

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 12:22:38

foxie48

TBH I wish I could send a few people "on a course" as clearly they don't understand what racism is and why Farage is considered a racist. If they do understand and are still prepared to support Farage and Reform, then I think we are entitled to draw our own conclusions. No one as far I can see has at any time said they want uncontrolled immigration what we want is properly controlled immigration, the treatment of asylum seekers according to the law both UK and International (without having to change the law!) and for migrants to be assessed swiftly and humanely. Why the Conservative government has chosen to stop doing this and has relied on the "threat" of Rwanda is totally beyond me unless they intended to turn immigration into the election issue that it has become. Fortunately, I think it has completely rebounded on them but sadly it has meant many asylum seekers, who would have been granted asylum and could be working and contributing to society, have been left completely in limbo.

Foxie, I'm absolutely sure thats why Sunak called the election when he did. If he had been confident about Rwanda working, after all the effort he out in, he had no need to call a halt.

He knew it wasn't going to work - even if Rwanda had taken a relatively small number at enormous expense, that still left thousands of unprocessed migrants building up with effectively no plan whatsoever.

Doodledog Sat 29-Jun-24 12:07:47

What about whataboutery?

Mt61 Sat 29-Jun-24 12:05:30

What about the Labour Party members kicked out by Kier Starmer, for racist comments?

Whitewavemark2 Sat 29-Jun-24 12:03:47

I think that we can all agree unless of course you have the mindset of Trump, that it was not a set up that what we saw it was in fact a small percentage and reflection of the type of supporters Farage attracts.

Whitewavemark2 Sat 29-Jun-24 12:01:34

Mt61

Try watching GB news to balance up the left wing BBC.

From your comments I am beginning to doubt that you watch the news of any colour.
😄😄

westendgirl Sat 29-Jun-24 12:00:39

Freya, why is Channel 4 "odious "?
I often watch their new coverage, and other programmes of course and have never found them "odious ". Just because Nigel Farage says it's not true you surely don't
believe him. I think little that he says is true. It is all done / said for effect and as long as he is centre of attention that's all that matters . He's another Trump . He would make an appalling M.P,going by his record as MEP.I haven't yet heard him say how he is going to achieve what he sets out in the "contract". A very silly and nasty man swayed by those even
sillier and nastier.

Mt61 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:55:55

Try watching GB news to balance up the left wing BBC.

MayBee70 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:54:56

Mt61

Whitewavemark2

chestnut we have a right wing party for balance they are called the Tory party.

I don’t want a party that attracts the sort of people we witnessed on ch4.

They are disgusting.

That was a setup, an actor that has worked for channel 4

And the man that was filmed in their headquarters? Was he an actor too?

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:54:51

Wyllow3

Whitewavemark2

Here he is back in April campaigning. Was he acting then?

Freya see this proof WWM posted that he was active for Reform long before channel 4 revelations.

Well if that's the case,?? Then hopefully he will be protecuted.

foxie48 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:54:36

TBH I wish I could send a few people "on a course" as clearly they don't understand what racism is and why Farage is considered a racist. If they do understand and are still prepared to support Farage and Reform, then I think we are entitled to draw our own conclusions. No one as far I can see has at any time said they want uncontrolled immigration what we want is properly controlled immigration, the treatment of asylum seekers according to the law both UK and International (without having to change the law!) and for migrants to be assessed swiftly and humanely. Why the Conservative government has chosen to stop doing this and has relied on the "threat" of Rwanda is totally beyond me unless they intended to turn immigration into the election issue that it has become. Fortunately, I think it has completely rebounded on them but sadly it has meant many asylum seekers, who would have been granted asylum and could be working and contributing to society, have been left completely in limbo.

Mt61 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:51:52

Whitewavemark2

chestnut we have a right wing party for balance they are called the Tory party.

I don’t want a party that attracts the sort of people we witnessed on ch4.

They are disgusting.

That was a setup, an actor that has worked for channel 4

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:49:00

MayBee70

Mt61

Why is that most of you people who support the left are always so smug & correct? There is nothing wrong in the opinion that we have too many migrants (illegals) coming across from France. France is a safe country. We haven’t got the infrastructure to support the influx of people coming across the channel,They are probably some of the nicest people on the planet, but we have enough homeless of our own to contend with. I don’t think for one minute that Nigel Farage is anything like Hitler, he’s pragmatic, & says it has it is.
People on here need to watch other sources of news apart from the mainstream news outlets like the BBC

What do you suggest we watch? GB News by any chance?

The publics favourite, beat the beeb hands down.

Dickens Sat 29-Jun-24 11:46:49

Curtaintwitcher

The problem with our country at the moment is that there are too many people who just don't care or haven't the wherewithal to consider the consequences of....unlimited numbers of immigrants flooding into the country......our children being poorly educated.....the increase in crime, etc.
Those who do have the courage to protest are labelled with insults.
People like Farage are
bringing the problems out into the open and giving patriots a voice.

Curtaintwitcher, there might well be those who don't care about the consequences, but I suspect they're more likely to be those who use the issue as a means to rattle the chains of an electorate being bombarded with propaganda about immigrants as the cause of our economic problems in order to cover up the fact that the real cause is years of public services and infrastructure underfunding and cost cutting, coupled with privatisation which results in money being sucked out of the economy.

Obviously, immigration in large numbers is going to add to those problems, but it's not the root cause.

And why do you assume that patriotism is the preserve only of people like Farage?

... and what the heck is patriotism anyway? If I want to see the country, as a whole, become a more equitable nation without the huge wealth gap between the very wealthy and the impoverished, one where everyone gets an opportunity to create a fairly decent life for themselves - not to mention one whose government is respected on the world-stage... does that make me unpatriotic?

Immigration is a problem - but it's a global problem not one that only affects us, and it's going to escalate, and it's not one we can just opt out of. And certainly not one that can in any way be managed by cutting the funding of those government departments and agencies that deal with the nitty-gritty of processing immigrants' claims.

Do you think those of us who want a more temperate debate / discussion on immigration are ignorant of the fact that among those immigrants coming to our shores there will inevitably be criminals, trouble-makers, fraudsters, and those whose staunchly held belief in a culture alien to our own will cause friction? We are aware of these things - Farage is not educating anyone, he's rabble-rousing - attempting to garner support by playing on the fears and insecurities of a nation that is suffering an economic crisis / downturn.

It's quite obvious, if you take a look at the whole picture and consider the number of immigrants - from various nations - living peacefully and working productively, especially in our health services, that the biggest problem that besets the country is not immigrants or immigration - it's 14 years under governments that have focused their attention on keeping the status-quo, looking after, primarily, the interests of their donors, backers and assorted vested-interests at the expense of the majority of the population who've endured the same number of year's worth of austerity, watching the services they rely on diminish to the point where an ever-increasing number of people find it impossible to access them, where taxpayers are funding employers who won't pay a wage workers can live on, where full-time, worthwhile jobs are disappearing to be replaced by the 'flexibility' of a labour force that has to juggle gig-economy / contract work, most of it low-paid, and somehow find affordable accommodation in a high-rent market, where crime is out of control in certain areas and there aren't sufficient numbers of police to even attempt to deal with it...

Immigration is not the cause of these problems. If you put a ring of steel around the whole of our island and ended the arrival of the boats in one swoop - the government would still carry on with its public-spending cuts, privatisation policies, etc... and would then find a new scapegoat for the problems its ideology creates.

Farage knows all this.

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:45:30

Campaigning in April.

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:44:20

(There was a picture on WWM original post. Just glance down page 8 which shows the campaign picture)

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:42:45

Whitewavemark2

Here he is back in April campaigning. Was he acting then?

Freya see this proof WWM posted that he was active for Reform long before channel 4 revelations.

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:42:13

MayBee70

Whitewavemark2

The far right - Tommy Robinson and a lot of others of his ilk are supporting Reform.

He’s been arrested in Canada….how ashamed I am that he’s from my country.

For supposedly immigration rules. They have since had to let him go, as they got it wrong.

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:38:30

petra

Apologies if I’m wrong, WhiteWavemark2 but I don’t recall you asking what attracts anti- Semite's to the Labour Party. 🤔

That's a good one. They even have allowed one, oh forgot, she's done a "course", running for her very safe seat.

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:35:10

M0nica

*WW2. I am referring to the Farage's male supporters, like the most recent oaf in the news. I would never describe a lady as an oaf. I always think Hyacinth Bucket would be a typical Reform supporter.Ladylike and yearning for a past that never existed.

Actually that past did,just because you want to think it didn't doesn't make it true.

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:31:51

Chestnut

Jane43

Whitewavemark2

I’ve pinched this question from James O’Brian. And to me it is obvious, - they are fascists - talking about replacing the police with paramilitaries and bringing back the death penalty as well as shoot f….g immigrants has huge echoes of 1930s Germany.

So why would you vote for him?

It is very similar to what happened in Nazi Germany. Hitler used Jews as scapegoats for the problems in society at the time and Reform are using Muslims. Reform supporters are grossly exaggerating and scaremongering saying Muslims will take over our society and introduce Sharia law, all this from 6% of the population. At that time we had Oswald Mosley propagating the ideology and now we have Nigel Farage. I just hope the majority of voters aren’t taken in by it.

'It' refers to what? A few crazy people spouting hate does not mean we are living through Nazi Germany again. You should be watching what goes on with George Galloway and his cronies if you want something to worry about.

Absolutely.

Freya5 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:29:54

Whitewavemark2

chestnut we have a right wing party for balance they are called the Tory party.

I don’t want a party that attracts the sort of people we witnessed on ch4.

They are disgusting.

So a actor, possibly planted by the odious Channel 4, who of course deny this, is real in your eyes because he spouts the hatred you "know" comes from Reform.
He was a hate monger , and what he said should be investigated by the way !!

Granmarderby10 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:29:28

It might be an idea though Wyllow3 for those who think/thought it was a worthy project to invest “our money” into in the first place - and as experiential evidence of it’s likely effectiveness to say, make the journey themselves ..yes the whole thing.
It could become a real reality show for the age, see how they thrive there….No?

Wyllow3 Sat 29-Jun-24 11:15:41

Kandinsky

Plenty of left wingers would happily round up Reform voters and pack them off to Rwanda. That’s the irony grin

Don't be silly.