Trans women have a cervix according to David Lammy.

What is wrong with saying " I accept trans, but"?, it is still stating that that person accepts trans, why cant you accept that?

I accept trans women but is not an example of women being against trans VS. Show me one example here on GN where a poster has said I am against the trans community.

Smileless2012

^I accept trans women but^ is not an example of women being against trans VS. Show me one example here on GN where a poster has said I am against the trans community.

Lol I asked first

Fair is fair

This tiny minority of a minority group have caused out of proportion problems by declaring that transwoman are women. They want access to women's safe places, to go to women's prisons and compete in women's sports.
Until everyone agrees that transwoman are not women this will carry on.
VS thinks many of us are anti trans. I believe it is only those who declare themselves to be real women and demand that they are treated as such are the ones women need to worry about.

Cop out VS, still waiting for your thread count numbers for posters who accept trans.

How can people declare "I accept the trans community" and then say "trans women are not women"

Do you not see that that is the very definition of not accepting?

I actually take a middle road because I accept trans women as trans women, for many reasons that protect everyone's rights, ensure people receive the right medical treatment, ensure women's sports can be regulated fairly, the list goes on

But they are women in almost every situation except where I personally feel the trans identifier is needed for everyone's benefit, them included.

So tell me again, where is your "acceptance"?

At least there are those here willing to stand up and say they accept nothing about trans people... I can at least respect that as long as it doesn't come with belittling me for having a different view

All I see is women confusing their discomfort with danger

I asked first and I answered VS by saying that to say 'I accept trans women but' is not an example of women being against trans so, show me just one example where a poster has said they're against trans.

Bridie22

Cop out VS, still waiting for your thread count numbers for posters who accept trans.

Show me some acceptance... Something we can actually work with

Smileless2012

^I asked first^ and I answered VS by saying that to say 'I accept trans women but' is not an example of women being against trans so, show me just one example where a poster has said they're against trans.

You are dissembling...

Tell me all the ways you accept trans women then

Let's turn the thread around everyone! Let's show the trans community some love!

Because trans women are not women VS and to say so isn't n example of being anti trans. I accept trans women as trans women because that is what they are. I do not accept them as women because they are not.

You are dissembling no I'm not VS but you are once again failing to back up your claim that these threads are about women being against trans.

Then you do not accept them

Be honest about that

Who was it who earlier accused others of not listening VS?

Smileless2012

^You are dissembling^ no I'm not VS but you are once again failing to back up your claim that these threads are about women being against trans.

Well actually, I have very clearly explained why I have that view and it is up to you to show the acceptance you claim to have

Being that acceptance for a trans woman is being treated like and identified as a woman... Then you cannot do that... So simply... It's just not true that you accept them and to them, you are just another person causing them harm

No, acceptance of trans women isn't that they be treated like and identified as women. Acceptance of trans women is accepting the fact they see themselves as/believe themselves to be/feel like women.

Telling people that their protected belief is causing people harm is quite unkind I would say.
I am an atheist, I don't cause Catholics, Muslims, Methodists, harm by saying I dont believe in God.
We are not going to say the magic words.

VS

How can people declare "I accept the trans community" and then say "trans women are not women"

Well the more educated among us know that a woman is an adult human female. Trans women are definitely human, most likely adult but even you can’t truthfully say they are female.
Trans Women Are Transwomen.

You’re still deliberately conflating the issue of sex and gender.
Sex is immutable. Gender has become the new word for whatever you feelyou are.

That was OK until some TIM decided that having fender dysphoria was the way to
lie their way into female safe spaces, or cheat their way to awards in female competitions.

It’s sad that you accuse anyone who condemns those actions of not supporting trans when in actual fact, those actions are condemned by those suffering from gender dysphoria who do not ^ lie their way into female safe spaces, or cheat their way to awards in female competitions.^
Trans Women Are Transwomen VS.

Smileless2012

No, acceptance of trans women isn't that they be treated like and identified as women. Acceptance of trans women is accepting the fact they see themselves as/believe themselves to be/feel like women.

That means the same thing and it is what it means to have real gender dysphoria, is it not?

Or do you not now accept that gender dysphoria is real?

In which case how can you accept trans women?

Do you know how many young people out there are being rejected and disowned by their own families for being trans? Something they cannot help or change about themselves? Something that has caused no harm to anyone? Something that changes nothing about who they are as a person?

Would you think it ok for those families to continue to deny their own children simply for not being the same gender they were before?

I wouldn't give even the tiniest crap if my children came out as gay, bi trans... All I care about is their life being happy and free from harm. Whether it's my child or future grandchild, or 2 doors down or in school or on the bus... I accept them

The main reason I accept them is for who they are because what is in their pants should never matter at all

*How can people declare "I accept the trans community" and then say "trans women are not women"

Do you not see that that is the very definition of not accepting?*

Seems to me, "accepting" means different things to different people.

I dont want to go against the current guidance for children so no I wouldnt pretend they were a different sex. I have a job in childrens services so I wouldnt want to ignore the current advice.

Mollygo you have the opportunity to adjust and apologise for your earlier comment which you know to be untrue after talking to me for years now

Without that, engaging with you is a negative experience I won't continue to repeat

I accept that people are different, different colours, creeds, sexuality, I accept, lesbians, homosexuals, and all tribes that want to do their own thing...fine, my tribe is biological females, I make no apologies for that.

Galaxy

I dont want to go against the current guidance for children so no I wouldnt pretend they were a different sex. I have a job in childrens services so I wouldnt want to ignore the current advice.

The current advice is not disowning a child who expresses a desire to transition socially Galaxy so please can you explain the relevance of your reply?

Wow, and now you want other posters to adjust their posts, very Orwellian.

Bridie22

I accept that people are different, different colours, creeds, sexuality, I accept, lesbians, homosexuals, and all tribes that want to do their own thing...fine, my tribe is biological females, I make no apologies for that.

Humanity is formed by tribes of people who have similar outlooks or characteristics?

How does this impact feminism? Feminism is equality... How does forming "tribes" support feminism?