Labour in line to get the largest majority since 1832......

growstuff

maddyone

Germanshepherdsmum

As if the financial crisis, the pandemic, the war in Ukraine with resultant aid both to Ukraine and all of us here hadn’t happened, as if the doctors hadn’t been striking, etc etc …

Oh absolutely. Covid where we rightfully paid people’s salaries for months. The energy crisis where every household in the country was given money (was it £400?) to offset energy bills. The cost of living crisis where all households below a certain limit of income received money for three years.Pensioners who received energy allowances beyond the usual for two or three years.
People remember what they want to remember, and forget what they want to forget.
It’s human nature.

Nobody paid me any of the money I lost as a result of Covid. There were about three and half million people who didn't receive anything. The government knew about us, but ignored the petition which was handed to it.

Hear hear growstuff.

My daughter and s-i-l run their business exactly the way they should and as legitimately and sensibly advised, take a dividend. Some years it can be good, but other years not so good. They too received nothing - although their staff were furloughed. (And some took on supermarket delivery jobs temporarily so more income.)

My daughter was very instrumental in the "Excluded" campaign but apart from support from some excellent constituency MP's they were not listened to.

At one point I feared they would not only lose the business, but their home as well.

Recovery has taken a long time and further thwarted by a reduction of work in Europe due to Brexit.

The Company can no longer support her and she is doing temporary contract work (as long as she can get it).

My cost of living payment went toward paying their grocery bills.

Turnout is apparently higher than expected

For reasons I cannot comprehend, fraud, which is a huge and growing type of crime, seems to be excluded from the crime figures.

Does the chart indicate 54% less crime ? Or maybe that less is being reported?

Winterwhite, I agree with your post upthread about Keir Starmer not being able to keep a huge party under control.

That was my worry.

I should imagine that a big front page headline to that effect in today’s Times could be a bit worrying for Keir & co.

But at least it’s sunny today (it is here anyway) so at least rain won’t be putting anyone off bothering to vote.

I would also be interested to see whether the fall in employment includes people on insecure contracts who still have to claim benefits to survive.

Do you mean the fall in unemployment?

I will once again point out the startling fact that when the figures for employment are prepared individuals are counted as being 'in employment' if they are employed for 2 hours a fortnight.

It's not my imagination, I have checked this figure so many times...

Those things would all have happened during Covid whichever party was in power though, the Tories weren’t doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. Every country in Europe did similar, regardless of political bent.
Indeed. And a lot of money was wasted on ineptitude, corruption and cronyism. Striking doctors and the pandemic are things that governments are supposed to deal with. The fact that there would be a pandemic was well known, even though the timing wasn't certain. Cuts to NHS funding needn't have happened, so there needn't have been strikes. It's not sensible to use preventable events as reasons for the government to be excused - they needn't have let them happen.

Yes, Maisie there is a lot missing, but I suppose it's more difficult to show water pollution etc in graphical form. I would also be interested to see whether the fall in employment includes people on insecure contracts who still have to claim benefits to survive.

maddyone

Germanshepherdsmum

As if the financial crisis, the pandemic, the war in Ukraine with resultant aid both to Ukraine and all of us here hadn’t happened, as if the doctors hadn’t been striking, etc etc …

Oh absolutely. Covid where we rightfully paid people’s salaries for months. The energy crisis where every household in the country was given money (was it £400?) to offset energy bills. The cost of living crisis where all households below a certain limit of income received money for three years.Pensioners who received energy allowances beyond the usual for two or three years.
People remember what they want to remember, and forget what they want to forget.
It’s human nature.

Those things would all have happened during Covid whichever party was in power though, the Tories weren’t doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. Every country in Europe did similar, regardless of political bent.

Doodledog

The New York Times graphically sets out what the Tories have done for the UK over the past 14 years. Interesting when you see it like this.

They've left a few out of the list, Dd

How about pollution of rivers and seas by untreated sewage?
Huge backlog in criminal court cases? e.g. Rape trials taking up to 5 years to come to court.
Crumbling schools and hospitals
Declining life expectancy
Those ruddy food banks as the number of people (including people *in work*) falling into poverty increases...

i'm quite willing to hear of any pluses...

Joseann

Yes, growstuff, desperately so, especially after a change in boundaries. They might be very busy at HQ in a few hours time trying to chase votes.
Desperation or determination?!

That probably explains the teller. I would imagine it's desperation to try and save something.

I had to use my savings to survive Covid, which is why I now have almost nothing.

maddyone

Germanshepherdsmum

As if the financial crisis, the pandemic, the war in Ukraine with resultant aid both to Ukraine and all of us here hadn’t happened, as if the doctors hadn’t been striking, etc etc …

Oh absolutely. Covid where we rightfully paid people’s salaries for months. The energy crisis where every household in the country was given money (was it £400?) to offset energy bills. The cost of living crisis where all households below a certain limit of income received money for three years.Pensioners who received energy allowances beyond the usual for two or three years.
People remember what they want to remember, and forget what they want to forget.
It’s human nature.

Nobody paid me any of the money I lost as a result of Covid. There were about three and half million people who didn't receive anything. The government knew about us, but ignored the petition which was handed to it.

people forget what they want to forget. How true. I remember some very dire times under a Labour government. I don't think this one will be any better.

Germanshepherdsmum

As if the financial crisis, the pandemic, the war in Ukraine with resultant aid both to Ukraine and all of us here hadn’t happened, as if the doctors hadn’t been striking, etc etc …

Oh absolutely. Covid where we rightfully paid people’s salaries for months. The energy crisis where every household in the country was given money (was it £400?) to offset energy bills. The cost of living crisis where all households below a certain limit of income received money for three years.Pensioners who received energy allowances beyond the usual for two or three years.
People remember what they want to remember, and forget what they want to forget.
It’s human nature.

Yes, growstuff, desperately so, especially after a change in boundaries. They might be very busy at HQ in a few hours time trying to chase votes.
Desperation or determination?!

As if the financial crisis, the pandemic, the war in Ukraine with resultant aid both to Ukraine and all of us here hadn’t happened, as if the doctors hadn’t been striking, etc etc …

Thank you for posting that Doodledog. Not that I was unaware, but it’s easy to forget. That why I’ve had such a trouble deciding where to put my vote.

The New York Times graphically sets out what the Tories have done for the UK over the past 14 years. Interesting when you see it like this.

Joseann

Aha, I've just walked a very grateful (3rd walk of the day!) dog past the polling station again, and it's still a blue rosette teller outside. So maybe they won't share their lists if they've put in all the effort!?

Do you have a Conservative MP who is danger of losing Joseann? If the result looks as though it's going to be tight, it could be that the Conservatives are hoping to find a few more votes from those who haven't turned up.

Aha, I've just walked a very grateful (3rd walk of the day!) dog past the polling station again, and it's still a blue rosette teller outside. So maybe they won't share their lists if they've put in all the effort!?

Luckygirl3

Not in the least worried. We have just endured the worst government of my lifetime. Dishonest, no integrity, no humanity, and incompetent ... think Liz Truss. Labour can be no worse for sure. Bring it on ....

Have you forgotten the winter of discontent under Labour? Bins not emptied, rubbish in the streets? Or the inflation of 25%? Or the inability to get a mortgage to move house after Healey went to the IMF to borrow money?
Or the electricity cuts in the early seventies under the Conservatives? And the three day week?
Or the miners strikes in the eighties? And the terrible riots outside the mines, under the Conservatives?
Have you forgotten the body bags coming back from Iraq and Afghanistan? The devastated families with their dead sons, husbands, and fathers? Have you forgotten the amputees coming home from those wars?

I’m surprised by Joseann’s experience. Round here any party in with a chance has shifts of tellers all day if they can manage it, and yes re cameraderie about sharing numbers. The system depends on the local party HQs having the software programmes to input the polling numbers and print out the remainder.

kittylester

Is no one else worried about the implications?

Whatever happens, there is not a darned thing we can do about it. People are voting for who they think will be the best government for the country so all we can do is hope they are right. If not, we will have to live with the consequences.

MaizieD

^Tellers aren't allowed to canvas or ask who people have voted for^

In case you misunderstood me. growstuff, I was talking about people canvassing before election day. No canvasser has ever asked me how I was going to vote.

That's what I thought. Just ignore me - I'm trying to do about a zillion things at once and not reading (or checking) posts properly.