Labour in line to get the largest majority since 1832......

luluaugust

I would like to imagine it Iam64 the trouble is he will find as Boris did that large majorities bring their own problems. We shall see.

While it's clear that large majorities bring their own problems I don't think that using Johnson as an example is particularly apt.

. In his case, he was the problem 😆

Starmer is an altogether different character with more strength of mind in his little finger than Johnson has in his entire body..

I don't think Labour will win because voters think they are wonderful, it will be because the Tories will lose spectacularly because of their track record.

I would like to imagine it Iam64 the trouble is he will find as Boris did that large majorities bring their own problems. We shall see.

Macadia, I agree absolutely. My vote will be about my children and grandchildren, and how I want the country to be in the future.
If people see a vote to be all about ensuring that they keep their money, and are happy for others to pay for supporting public services, that is for them to decide. I feel differently.

Good morning - our Labour candidate seems likely to win. It seems likely this time tomorrow we will have a Labour government and a PM with a track record of integrity and public service. Imagine that

This is one reason to vote Labour.

Stop corruption!

*We went undercover and arranged a series of payments to each of the six major UK parties to test how easy it is for a foreign donor to make illegal political contributions

Labour was the only party to correctly identify and block the money*

Macadia

All of this talk about protecting our pensions. What about the crisis of child poverty and young adults not earning a living wage? Food insecurity and a housing shortage? It is their game now. Is this something that can be resolved? Most of what we worry for has not happened yet. (Not my quote)

Well said, the notion of having a more favourable taxation system for pensioners is unfair and divisive.

I’ve just woken and am feeling excited and so relieved that at last we have the chance to make our feelings felt over all the wrong that we’ve had to endure for 14 very long years.

Good luck everyone in your constituencies, May the force go with us all and we emerge blinking into new beginnings that are going to be massively difficult, but as long as we keep our eyes on the horizon we should succeed.

🌞🌞🇬🇧🇬🇧

All of this talk about protecting our pensions. What about the crisis of child poverty and young adults not earning a living wage? Food insecurity and a housing shortage? It is their game now. Is this something that can be resolved? Most of what we worry for has not happened yet. (Not my quote)

growstuff

I'm not the slightest bit worried.

I'm more worried that some voters might think it's a foregone conclusion and not vote.

If Labour really gets about twice as many votes as the Conservatives, it just goes to show the feeling against the Conservative Party. It's called democracy - like the result of the referendum, people will just have to live with it.

Agree with this. Nothing is certain - remember Neil Kinok and the supposed landslide Labour was supposed to have. That was down to complacency. I just hope the weather is okay and the undecided don’t think it is not worth the effort to vote if it’s pouring with rain.

You need a change, that’s for sure. Hope you get a reasonable opposition, though, otherwise things could be difficult. Good luck everyone !

Talk of a supermajority is utter twaddle. Any government with a decent majority can rule as it wishes. Governments have ruled with majorities as low as 5.

Dark talk of 'measures' is making me laugh.

Let's hope that the new government will plug loopholes that allow Some People to take measures that give them the advantage over the rest of us, and treat fiddlers in the same way as the previous one has treated so-called benefit cheats. Tax should be applicable to everyone in the same way, not just those without access to 'measures'.

biglouis

As GSM says there are "measures" thast can be put into place to protect your financial position. Im sure that mine will be different from hers. Im concerned about even more of the resources which belong in this country flowing out to subsidise foreign wars and illegal incomers.

If measures can be put in place to protect personal finances, why is taxation such an issue for the rich? That just doesn't make sense.

PS. Are you really Trump?

As GSM says there are "measures" thast can be put into place to protect your financial position. Im sure that mine will be different from hers. Im concerned about even more of the resources which belong in this country flowing out to subsidise foreign wars and illegal incomers.

Daz57

I am scared not least as he is going to tax pensioners hard. According to his advisers.

This is a myth. There is a personal allowance of £12,570 for everybody. Those on the new pension may go over this slightly and if they do or if they have a private or final salary pension when their income goes over the personal allowance they will pay tax on the amount over the personal allowance. Some pensioners have had to start paying tax because the Tory party froze the personal allowance and planned to freeze it until 2027. When he realised they were doing so badly in the polls Sunak came up with the idea of a triple lock plus which apparently means nobody will pay tax on the state pension but they will of course pay tax on any other income. Nearly half of pensioners are on the old state pension which is approx £8800 if you get the full amount so wouldn’t have benefited from this idea for many years. Sunak has told so many lies during this election campaign I hope he loses his seat.

Pensions aside, what gives you the idea that pensioners will be targeted for tax by a Labour government? I would like to see the source you say comes from Starmer’s advisers?

TakeThat7

Labour created huge accademies which no way improved Education in this area small schools are better especially when there is a lot of deprivatio ft

The Conservatives created far more academies and academy chains than Labour ever did.

Well said Doodledog. I'm not expecting any direct financial gain from a Labour government, although the optics of increasing the base tax threshold for everybody would be positive.

Like you, I'm hoping that a new government might lead to more transparent and honest governance, an aim to improve public services and less social division.

TakeThat7

Labour created huge accademies which no way improved Education in this area small schools are better especially when there is a lot of deprivatio ft

It wasn’t the creation of academies as an alternative to failing schools that was the issue though, was it? In 2010, the Conservative-Liberal Democrat coalition government passed a law which allowed existing schools to be converted into academies, and in 2016 the government was granted the power to force schools to become academies. You can’t blame Labour for something that could have been changed fourteen years ago, not worsened - that would be absurd.

Yes, the Rooker-Wise amendment linking the tax personal allowance to inflation was introduced by Labour in 1977. It remained in place for 44 years until Sunak stopped it in 2021.

It was Ed Davey who lobbied (some years ago now) to extended Rooker Wise to increase the tax personal allowance by wage inflation or price inflation - which ever was higher, just as the triple lock now does for pensions, but he was defeated.

The triple lock for pensions was a Lib Dem policy (Steve Webb's) but the Tories took the credit because of the Coalition.

Sunak was stealing Davey's idea in offering a triple lock increase to the personal tax allowance but for pensioners only. Davey wanted it for everyone to prevent wage rises being taxed by stealth through fiscal drag.

We have had an age allowance before from the 1970s through to 2013 when Tory George Osbourne got rid of it.

growstuff

TakeThat7

Oh and if the train drivers stopped striking people would be
able to get places and spend money They even messed up travel for the eurovission Is Starmer going to do what he can to help buisnesses and stop their constant disruption of day to day life

How can the Labour Party be blamed for train strikes?

It's the same logic as blaming them for freezing the tax thresholds.

To answer the OP, no I am not worried about an incoming Labour government. I agree that an unstoppable force is dangerous, as we saw with Johnson, but I'd much much rather have a government that is not corrupt, is not interested in lining the pockets of the already rich, and who will at least try to make life better for 'ordinary' people.

'Ordinary' people 'loaned the Tories their votes' last time, and were badly let down. If they take them back now and give someone else a go, I don't blame them. I feel more at ease about an election result than I have since 1997. I may or may not benefit personally - quite possibly not, if the only baseline is financial gain. But there is so much more to political allegiance than that, IMO, and I think we will all benefit from a more cohesive society.

Labour created huge accademies which no way improved Education in this area small schools are better especially when there is a lot of deprivatio ft

If you didnt live in the best areas labour had huge class sizes and closed good schools I was a parent then

TakeThat7

Oh and if the train drivers stopped striking people would be
able to get places and spend money They even messed up travel for the eurovission Is Starmer going to do what he can to help buisnesses and stop their constant disruption of day to day life

How can the Labour Party be blamed for train strikes?

Oh and if the train drivers stopped striking people would be
able to get places and spend money They even messed up travel for the eurovission Is Starmer going to do what he can to help buisnesses and stop their constant disruption of day to day life