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Tonight’s results

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Whitewavemark2 Thu 04-Jul-24 21:43:14

Dedicated thread to discuss the results etc.

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growstuff Fri 05-Jul-24 00:49:35

keepingquiet

Robert Buckland is giving a good account of the state of the Tory party and what went wrong.

I would rather have the Tories with a much reduced majority and the ability to come back with a will to work instead of posturing, than Reform who will have no control over any MPs that may get elected.

For me, it would depend what kind of Tory. If they were all like Rory Stewart, I wouldn't have too much of a problem, but not a Conservative government (even with a reduced majority) with the likes of Kemi Badenoch, Suella Bravemann, Danny Kruger and their ilk.

Doodledog Fri 05-Jul-24 00:47:32

MayBee70

I hope the Conservative Party returns to it’s core values instead of trying to become UKIP/Reform. The thought of Reform being the opposition horrifies me.

Me too. The good news is that they will be an opposition with little power.

But Labour has to listen to the Reform voters. I don't think that they are all naturally Right Wingers. They have been forgotten, and need to find a home with a party that will take them seriously.

MayBee70 Fri 05-Jul-24 00:44:13

I hope the Conservative Party returns to it’s core values instead of trying to become UKIP/Reform. The thought of Reform being the opposition horrifies me.

keepingquiet Fri 05-Jul-24 00:39:57

Robert Buckland is giving a good account of the state of the Tory party and what went wrong.

I would rather have the Tories with a much reduced majority and the ability to come back with a will to work instead of posturing, than Reform who will have no control over any MPs that may get elected.

Doodledog Fri 05-Jul-24 00:37:24

MaizieD

Doodledog

MaizieD

Sunderland and Blyth. I'm not at all surprised. It's echoing the Brexit vote. NE still hasn't had any benefit, still 'left behind'.

I think (and hope) that that explains the results. I also hope that something is done to reverse the swing to the Far Right. I agree that those areas are 'left behind' and someone needs to speak to the people there who are Old Labour, of the rather sexist and racist persuasion (and let's not pretend that the Left doesn't have a fair share of people who think that way). I may not share their outlook, but they are not basically fascist - they are politically homeless and want to protest about being patronised and ignored.

Other people on X are saying the same as me. Reform mirroring the Brexit vote. Some think that this won't hold over all of the UK.

I hope to god that they only come second in my red wall constituency...

I don't know where you are based, but I hope so too. But if, as expected, the LP has a huge majority overall, it should stop focussing on middle class, 'politically correct' types and remember who they are supposed to represent.

I am not looking backwards, and nor am I saying that the 'middle class politically correct' types shouldn't be considered (I am one of them, after all grin), but a democracy has to include everyone, and that means Alf Garnett as well as David Tennant. That hasn't happened since I don't know when.

Labour supporters are now predominantly graduates with professional or 'white collar' occupations, and the flat cap manual workers have been left out, and need to go somewhere. If Labour doesn't want them they will go elsewhere, and Labour will sink.

As I see it, if you need to work for a living it doesn't matter what you do - 'professional', admin, manager, tradesperson, unskilled worker are all pointless divisions. Someone decides what your labour is worth and bases that on the minimum they can pay. Everyone in that position should stick together and refuse to be exploited, rather than fighting amongst ourselves. I am not bothered by immigration, but maybe I would be if I worked as a builder or someone whose standard of living might be threatened by people from countries with lower wages willing to work for less. We all need to listen to one another.

Washington and Gateshead South (another NE constituency) has declared as Labour.

growstuff Fri 05-Jul-24 00:36:15

keepingquiet

Channel 4 far too colourful for my eyes, BBC far more soothing!

I've tried both. Frying pans and fire come to mind. :-(

growstuff Fri 05-Jul-24 00:32:20

MaizieD

Doodledog

MaizieD

Sunderland and Blyth. I'm not at all surprised. It's echoing the Brexit vote. NE still hasn't had any benefit, still 'left behind'.

I think (and hope) that that explains the results. I also hope that something is done to reverse the swing to the Far Right. I agree that those areas are 'left behind' and someone needs to speak to the people there who are Old Labour, of the rather sexist and racist persuasion (and let's not pretend that the Left doesn't have a fair share of people who think that way). I may not share their outlook, but they are not basically fascist - they are politically homeless and want to protest about being patronised and ignored.

Other people on X are saying the same as me. Reform mirroring the Brexit vote. Some think that this won't hold over all of the UK.

I hope to god that they only come second in my red wall constituency...

I think we're going to have a very split country. I have no doubt that Labour will win this election, but Reform will be strong in the "red wall" seats, particularly in the North East and coastal constituencies.

The south of the country will be different. Some will remain rock solid Conservative, with some areas tending towards the LibDems. The big cities (apart from Birmingham) will be Labour.

So, there's going to be a realignment of the parties - the Conservatives might even disappear as we've known them over the last few decades. Some more moderate Conservatives might join the LibDems or create a new party. Labour will probably be more "middle class" (so-called) and continue to alienate traditional "working class" voters, who will turn to Reform.

It's possible that we might end up with four parties in England (plus the parties in the devolved countries). If that happens, it would be a good time to introduce PR.

Whatever happens, I think we're going to see historic changes over the next few years.

PS. Go on then! You can bookmark this and have a good laugh in a year or two when I'm totally wrong! grin

keepingquiet Fri 05-Jul-24 00:30:58

Channel 4 far too colourful for my eyes, BBC far more soothing!

MayBee70 Fri 05-Jul-24 00:29:15

His political career follows a repeating pattern doesn’t it!

MaizieD Fri 05-Jul-24 00:28:15

Looks as though George Galloway is going to lose his seat...

Wyllow3 Fri 05-Jul-24 00:21:51

On BBC I player, like the format. Good presenters and I like the political analyst. Leadson and Streeting in the hot seats.

MaizieD Fri 05-Jul-24 00:20:27

Doodledog

MaizieD

Sunderland and Blyth. I'm not at all surprised. It's echoing the Brexit vote. NE still hasn't had any benefit, still 'left behind'.

I think (and hope) that that explains the results. I also hope that something is done to reverse the swing to the Far Right. I agree that those areas are 'left behind' and someone needs to speak to the people there who are Old Labour, of the rather sexist and racist persuasion (and let's not pretend that the Left doesn't have a fair share of people who think that way). I may not share their outlook, but they are not basically fascist - they are politically homeless and want to protest about being patronised and ignored.

Other people on X are saying the same as me. Reform mirroring the Brexit vote. Some think that this won't hold over all of the UK.

I hope to god that they only come second in my red wall constituency...

Elegran Fri 05-Jul-24 00:18:53

Labour gain Swindon South.

Doodledog Fri 05-Jul-24 00:17:00

Also, I think Rory Stewart talks a lot of sense. If we could have a Fantasy Football-style cabinet, he would be in mine. He might not like his colleagues though grin

Doodledog Fri 05-Jul-24 00:13:39

Fair point grin.

Why is the NE always first to declare? I've never understood that.

MayBee70 Fri 05-Jul-24 00:12:09

It must be really irritating Nadine when they talk about the number of Conservative MP’s going into the HOL’s!

Doodledog Fri 05-Jul-24 00:09:44

rafichagran

Nadine Dorries is a real PITA. I don't agree with Anne Widdecombes views, but I don't find her as bad as Dorries.

She (ND) seems 'well refreshed'. Emily Maitliss is clearly irritated with her.

Shinamae Fri 05-Jul-24 00:08:59

The best coverage is on GB news……🤓

rafichagran Fri 05-Jul-24 00:08:28

Nadine Dorries is a real PITA. I don't agree with Anne Widdecombes views, but I don't find her as bad as Dorries.

MayBee70 Fri 05-Jul-24 00:04:57

Whitewavemark2

I’m watching Ch 4 but flicking around a bit, because Nadine Norris is driving me mad.

Not as mad as she must be driving Alastair. I’ve had to switch to Sky. I might try ITV. Poor Harriet too.

Doodledog Fri 05-Jul-24 00:04:25

Does Nadine Dorries have Vodka in that mug?

Mamardoit Fri 05-Jul-24 00:04:12

Another Sunderland ...Referendum 2nd.

Doodledog Fri 05-Jul-24 00:01:15

JaneJudge

I’m watching itv in bed watching watching ch4
Reform seem popular confused

Are you on the wine, too? grin

Why not? It's only once in five years, and it's not usually cause for celebration.

Mamardoit Thu 04-Jul-24 23:59:37

Oh dear....I can't edit.

JaneJudge Thu 04-Jul-24 23:59:16

I’m watching itv in bed watching watching ch4
Reform seem popular confused