Labour win a historic victory

Germanshepherdsmum

I think that when it comes to politics memories are conveniently extremely short.

Yep. Anywhere between fourteen years and six weeks ago for some.

Labour won because the Tories lost.Look at the breakdown of the vote percentages……

MayBee70

PennyWhistle

Heaven help us as a nation. Are memories so short that the last Labour debacle is forgotten?

I think the events of the past few years have overshadowed that. I don’t think we’ve now got a PM who rants on about Peppa Pig for a start ( no disrespect to Peppa by the way).

What 'past Labour debacle' are you agreeing with, MayBee?

I'm not sure what 'PennyWhistle* was referring to...

Some of us have long political memories, and know that nothing is perfect, so vote for the party that does the best to improve the lot of the most people historically, and plan on a personal level to protect yourself and your family against as many eventualities as you can. As farmers do, make your hay while the sun shines.

MaizieD

MayBee70

PennyWhistle

Heaven help us as a nation. Are memories so short that the last Labour debacle is forgotten?

I think the events of the past few years have overshadowed that. I don’t think we’ve now got a PM who rants on about Peppa Pig for a start ( no disrespect to Peppa by the way).

What 'past Labour debacle' are you agreeing with, MayBee?

I'm not sure what 'PennyWhistle* was referring to...

I just meant that so many awful/stupid things have happened over the past fourteen years that my brain is so stuffed with them I can’t remember much before that. Certainly didn’t agree that there was a Labour debacle (not concentrating very well due to the England game!). I do vividly remember the Thatcher years though .

Some of us remember the strikes, 3 day weeks of the 70s when the unions were in and out at the drop of a hat, Maybee.

And then of course Tony and his wars…

Am envious in the US...

Pantglas2

Some of us remember the strikes, 3 day weeks of the 70s when the unions were in and out at the drop of a hat, Maybee.

And then of course Tony and his wars…

That’s what first got me interested in politics, the miners’ strikes in the seventies - Ted Heath’s was the first government I can really remember. There’s pretty much been something momentous affecting every government since.

Labour won because the Tories lost

Artols and the Tories lost because they have spent 14 years running this country into the ground; lying; cheating and lining their own pockets. ‘Nuff said!

Hooray!!

LizzieDrip

^Labour won because the Tories lost^

Artols and the Tories lost because they have spent 14 years running this country into the ground; lying; cheating and lining their own pockets. ‘Nuff said!

The same reasons why Labour lost last time.
Probably the same reason that will be given when they lose next time there’s a change of government.
(Our pensions remind me of their last time in office. I’m concerned about what they’ll do to our remaining pensions.)
Nuff said!

I am relieved that the aim of Jeremey Hunt to abolish national insurance will have gone. NI is linked to the statutory sick pay, statutory maternity pay and the state pension. If NI was removed then how would people get those benefits ? I had to pay for missing NI years to get my pension .

The highlights for me were the departure of Rees Mogg and Liz Truss - two arrogant, uncaring individuals. But I do not trust Kier Starmer. The BBC and the 'client' newspapers are behind him and we are not hearing the truth. I watched something on an alternative news programme (sorry, can't recall which) clearly showing how he lies by juxtaposing comments from the past with more recent ones. I wanted to hear what Farage was going to say but the time allocated to him was taken up by 'liberals' booing, and shouting him down. He may not be the most attractive individual, but Reform got more votes than the LibDems, and if we do not take notice of the wishes of the people who voted for them, if we try to silence them, there will probably be trouble down the line. Democracy is democracy, and that means EVERYBODY!

Reform has done very well in my 'leafy' area of the Cotswolds and I do not agree that its voters are a dying breed! - unless the poor and disadvantaged are a 'dying breed'
And I believe that Reform appeals to a lot of young voters, reflecting on the Britain they want in the future, not just the 'crusties'
The idea that 'forward-looking liberals' are in some way the chosen elite is just the sort of attitude that will fuel parties like Reform

Isn't it strange how when you suggest a growing group of people. a group that will expand as more and more people get access to to higher education is immediately described as an 'elite'.

Look at the area of the country where voters chose Lib Dems over Labour. How can a huge proportion of the population like that possibly be an elite? On that basis it is Reform voters who are the elite.

Apart from his saying trans men can be women and kneeling for a criminal..( all lives matter) and not cracking down on anti semitism enough for fear of losing a labour voting democratic that are anti semitic

A great relief and I feel confident that Labour will be a competent and fair government with people in power who know what they are doing. It will take time though, but I can live with that rather than the incompetent and sleazy Tory govt!

HousePlantQueen

Zoe65

Can’t wait to see all you Labour idiots review the situation in a years time .you won’t be so happy then when your green belt is covered in houses,your state pensions means tested (as stated today ) and your council tax rise through the roof plus you can’t drive anywhere without massive taxes on movement or fuel .and that’s just the start …….more people voted against Labour than for them ,lowest winning vote share ever .

How rude. Combined with ill informed

How rude. Combined with ill informed

One of those who "says it like it is" brigade maybe?

Well, yes, hardly a surprise, as the Tories had been shooting themselves in the foot for ages, then the imbecilic, wildly incompetent Liz Truss and sad soaking wet Sunak (I'll look good without an umbrella) pretty much amputated both legs of the party.

History shows they'll be back though, as we lurch right to left then back again after a while. USA has massive swings over an 8 or 12 year period, though when Nixon disgraced himself in the 70s (Vietnam, Watergate), he melted a huge Republican majority in just one term.

For MusicGirl and Nanna, yes, the LibDems did well, presumably all those who swore they'd never vote that way again in response to Nick Clegg's shattered promise either forgot, or forgave them. Maybe lots of voters, despite the publicity, didn't realise that their leader could have stopped the sub-Postmaster scandal, back when he was Postmaster-General in that coalition, and just didn't investigate properly and thoroughly?

Massive attention will get shown to our voting system, as Labour's share of the vote only went up by a whisker, but they jumped by over 200 seats. Their result was amazing, but achieved on the lowest vote share of any winning Govt in our history! LibDems vote share went up by under one percent, but their SEATS rose from 11 to 72.

Farage's Reform party got MORE votes than LibDems, (over 2% more share) but ONLY won 5 seats, against LibDems and 72. And that despite having a joke manifesto, several candidates exposed as nutjobs, and an economic policy that the IFS pulled to pieces, and said would cause a rebellion if enacted. Perhaps their voters only have one topic dominating their (lack of) thoughts?

That best news of the night? Well, yes, Liz Truss being booted out was a joy, after what that daft woman 'achieved' in her 6 weeks in charge. She'll still get her PM's perks though, but then in 2022/23, Major & Bliar both claimed their full allowance for duties connected with being a fomer-PM, with Brown, May and Cameron only slightly less (still over £100K). What DO they do for that?!
The other major bonus was, I'd suggest, the odious George Galloway getting turfed out, despite some Gaza-inspired results on the night. Well done Rochdale!!

It was a pity that Suella Braverman, Kemi Badenoch and Priti Patel were not voted out. Horrible, self serving characters, all three.

Delene

It was a pity that Suella Braverman, Kemi Badenoch and Priti Patel were not voted out. Horrible, self serving characters, all three.

Obviously their local constituency thinks otherwise.
I'm sure these were targeted areas for other parties.

spottybook

God help us all!

Agreed ☹️

DrWatson, much what you say is true and I enjoy reading your posts in any case, were you/ are you a journalist or author?

Visgir1

Delene

It was a pity that Suella Braverman, Kemi Badenoch and Priti Patel were not voted out. Horrible, self serving characters, all three.

Obviously their local constituency thinks otherwise.
I'm sure these were targeted areas for other parties.

Kemi Badenoch's majority was reduced from 27,594 to 2,610 in a constituency which is a natural Conservative seat. She's not popular, not necessarily because of her views, but because she's a very bad constituency MP.

PS. The constituency wasn't really targeted by other parties. Maybe if it had have been, she would have lost.