Labour win a historic victory

M0nica

PilgrimQuill

Nigel says it like it is - the rest say what we want to hear. Remember Maggie's little dance when she said austerity was over? Remember the joy when New Labour got in with a landslide victory in 97? How much better it was going to be with a Con/Lib Dem coalition to replace them in 2010 after a global recession? Now Covid and Brexit and death of the High Street later, we think Keir holds a magic wand? Nigel will continue to say it like it is and we will continue to think him a buffoon. Time will tell.

Nigel is saying how it is, or rather how a declining propoportion of the population think he is.

As I have commented several time the Reform voter, is generally older, less well educated, poorer and iller and more likely to be unemployed, and quite literally lives on the far marginalised eastern edges of the country. If you have driven round that area, which I have recently, I did not realise just how derelict some areas of Britain were -even the farmers look poor. In other words Reform voters are a dying breed.

The tnteresting vote is the way the Lib Dems have wone a whole swathe of constituencies in the south and south Midlands. These areas are the exact opposite of Reform, much younger demographic, highly educated, working in the sunrise technology and technological research, they are quite literally the future of the country and the number of Reform votes here is negligible and Reform policies hold no attractions for this cosmopolitan electorate.

And that describes the big divide in the country now. It's not necessarily about money or "class", but about education and social attitudes among other issues.

dragonfly46

Worst news of the night - Farage got in! Be interesting to see how often he shows up.

Don’t know so much. No fan of Farage, and definitely not a fan of Reform, but there’s no doubt that much of the nature of Labours’ success in the election is down to Reform taking the Tory vote.

I live in a wealthy area, where many people stand to lose a lot of money if taxes increase, as threatened. My constituency returned a Conservative MP with a considerably reduced majority, but we have LibDems to the north and south and a wall of red Labour to the west, where there has been no Labour MP for the last 41 years.

Pammie1

dragonfly46

Worst news of the night - Farage got in! Be interesting to see how often he shows up.

Don’t know so much. No fan of Farage, and definitely not a fan of Reform, but there’s no doubt that much of the nature of Labours’ success in the election is down to Reform taking the Tory vote.

It depends. I'm fascinated by election results, so I've looked up a few. Reform certainly affected results in the North East, but not so much in the cities and the leafy shires.

This map shows how the whole country voted:

commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-10009/

There's a pattern. MOnica is right. Some of the most affluent parts of the country have voted LibDem.

Time will tell. I hope he doesn't tax pensions as stated in his manifesto, the state pension is barely enough to live on even now. I won't hold my breath in regards to the nhs i think its to far gone now

SWT61

Time will tell. I hope he doesn't tax pensions as stated in his manifesto, the state pension is barely enough to live on even now. I won't hold my breath in regards to the nhs i think its to far gone now

Did he really state he was going to tax pensions in the manifesto?

The only reason that Labour got in was because the Tories have made such a mess of things. The country couldn't carry on as it was.
Twice now, they have used the word 'force'. Councils will be forced to give up green spaces for houses, councils will be forced to accept migrants. Rebellion will be the reaction to that.
Labour know very well that they were not a popular choice, but removing the Tories was something which had to be done.
Many of us had a feeling of dread on Friday morning. I think that will soon be justified.

That is democracy for you Curtaintwitcher, and it’s as well to remember that in 421 seats Labour got the most votes, so more people want them in power than want any other party. They have the mandate to govern, so like it or not, they will.

By the way, I suspect more were relieved to see the end of the last government on Friday morning than were dismayed to see Labour in power. People voted anything but Tory, which was a pretty clear message.

On Friday my area went from Tory to Labour. It's been Tory since 1950. We also had a very low vote for Reform.

The press conference today (no three word slogans, sensible answers, plans already underway) and a new cabinet stuffed with experienced and prepared people who understand the challenges facing ordinary people and are ready to hit the ground running. A PM whose entire career history is of achieving his aims and who is now 'restless for change'.

I am so proud of my home town and optimistic for the future.

growstuff

SWT61

Time will tell. I hope he doesn't tax pensions as stated in his manifesto, the state pension is barely enough to live on even now. I won't hold my breath in regards to the nhs i think its to far gone now

Did he really state he was going to tax pensions in the manifesto?

No he didn't.

I hope he doesn't tax pensions as stated in his manifesto

Rubbish SWT61

I have never voted Tory or Labour (nor never not voted) but I would not dream of calling those who do "idiots". My parents voted Labour, my in-laws Tory. They were far from "idiots".

If your pension(s) are above the current income tax threshold of £12,750 you will pay income tax on the excess SWT61. The Conservatives said they would raise the threshold so that the SP wasn’t taxed but Labour refused to make a similar commitment.

Germanshepherdsmum

If your pension(s) are above the current income tax threshold of £12,750 you will pay income tax on the excess SWT61. The Conservatives said they would raise the threshold so that the SP wasn’t taxed but Labour refused to make a similar commitment.

So the status quo would continue.

But it would not have done had the Conservatives been elected.

Germanshepherdsmum

But it would not have done had the Conservatives been elected.

It's not the same as introducing new taxes.

There was talk this morning about changing the amount you can give away/the time limit for doing that.
I’m hoping to see something concrete about that.

Mollygo

There was talk this morning about changing the amount you can give away/the time limit for doing that.
I’m hoping to see something concrete about that.

Mollygo outrageous if true. Give cash.

Zoe65 how I agree with you.

I have heard rumours about that. It’s probably one of the loopholes they have vowed to close. I agree about giving cash if it happens. Basically anyone who has anything is going to be clobbered imho.

PilgrimQuill

Nigel says it like it is - the rest say what we want to hear.

Now, I would say that it's Farage who says what people want to hear. That is, what he says is what they think, so of course he appears to be saying it 'like it is'. If he wasn't saying what his followers want to hear they wouldn't follow him...

He's really no different at all from any other politician.

Heaven help us as a nation. Are memories so short that the last Labour debacle is forgotten?

PennyWhistle

Heaven help us as a nation. Are memories so short that the last Labour debacle is forgotten?

I think the events of the past few years have overshadowed that. I don’t think we’ve now got a PM who rants on about Peppa Pig for a start ( no disrespect to Peppa by the way).

I think that when it comes to politics memories are conveniently extremely short.