Who should lead the Tories now?

Good grief! If Johnson is the best they can come up with, the Conservatives really are in a mess.

growstuff

Good grief! If Johnson is the best they can come up with, the Conservatives really are in a mess.

Johnson, Braverman, Badenoch, Patel, all very right wing, Boris we don’t have to concern ourselves he’s not an MP, be worried about the others

I looked at the list of surviving Conservative MPs - to be honest I hadn't heard of most of them, so I don't know what their opinions are, but if one of those becomes leader, I wonder if there are enough others with similar views to form a shadow cabinet.

David Davis is still there I think, he’s got a lot of experience that could be called on, although he must be too old to bid for leadership I would guess?

maddyone

Galaxy

The Tories tend to choose a range of hopeless leaders after a defeat, if they had any sense it would be Badenoch.

I agree Galaxy, but most on here won’t.

Why not. I would vote for her. They need someone who will stand up and be counted Kemi Badenoch would.

More important than the new leader is to decide what the Tory party actually stands for I would have thought, because without establishing that they will continue to be at war with each other over decisions and the way forward.

They would do best to steer clear of the Boris Johnson acolytes, who only got their jobs because they were on his Brexit side.
I cringed when I saw Braverman interviewed yesterday and she could only come out with a nasty catty remark about Starmer.
So schoolgirlish; so gauche. Not that I care, really!

Winterwhite, how lucky you are sophisticated and not susceptible!

Boz

They would do best to steer clear of the Boris Johnson acolytes, who only got their jobs because they were on his Brexit side.
I cringed when I saw Braverman interviewed yesterday and she could only come out with a nasty catty remark about Starmer.
So schoolgirlish; so gauche. Not that I care, really!

So why even mention it?

The main requirement of the next Conservative leader is that they are someone that the mass of the electorate, who are not party members, would be prepared to vote for.

The personal preferences of individual Conservative members, is, in fact, irrelevant.

Agree. Unfortunately those who are committed enough to join any political party is not representative of the average voter. Labour discovered that when they boosted membership and got Corbyn as leader, the Tories found the same with Truss. MPs have a better idea than members but that's not seen as democratic.

BigMamma I’m with you for Boris Johnson. I think we will be the only 2 on GN with this view.

Nankate make that three!

Freya5

maddyone

Galaxy

The Tories tend to choose a range of hopeless leaders after a defeat, if they had any sense it would be Badenoch.

I agree Galaxy, but most on here won’t.

Why not. I would vote for her. They need someone who will stand up and be counted Kemi Badenoch would.

She is not popular with the remaining Conservative MPs nor her constituents. I really can't see that she would regain any of the votes the Conservatives have lost.

Anyone know what the current Tory party stands for?

So if the answer is “no” then how do they know which leader to vote for.

Putting the cart before the horse!

Whitewavemark2

Anyone know what the current Tory party stands for?

So if the answer is “no” then how do they know which leader to vote for.

Putting the cart before the horse!

I agree 100%. It seems to me that they've really lost their way. Rory Stewart has spoken a number of times about this issue.

Magsymoo

What a good idea. Let’s bring back a disgraced former PM. A man who has lied and cheated in his personal and professional life for personal gain over and over again. A man who has contributed massively to a decline in standards in public life which has spilled out into ordinary life. Yes, that’s just what the country needs!

Exactly. After winning a huge majority at the GE he orchestrated his party's decline with his behaviour and the result of that was clearly seen last Thursday.

Yes I agree with finding out what they stand for. A really clear set of values would be ideal. I dont know that they are bold enough to do that at the moment.

Galaxy

Yes I agree with finding out what they stand for. A really clear set of values would be ideal. I dont know that they are bold enough to do that at the moment.

It isn’t a question of boldness- it is a question of being able to agree - there are as many war-ing factions as there are ideas.

Thank you BevSec we must be the three Musketeers.

I often think that Boris Johnson and Nigel Farage are the same person,

Now that Farage is an MP he could abandon Reform and become Tory MP that really would be the nightmare scenario

David49

Now that Farage is an MP he could abandon Reform and become Tory MP that really would be the nightmare scenario

For him, or for them?

I'm still curious as to why Keir Starmer was elected as leader of the Labour party. Was he really the best candidate?

As regards the Tories, I don't think it matters at the moment. They need to get together and face up to their failure in government and discuss how they are going to do it better next time. When things start to fall apart with Labour and another election is looming, then will be the time to select a leader who will represent the new Conservatives.

Curtaintwitcher

I'm still curious as to why Keir Starmer was elected as leader of the Labour party. Was he really the best candidate?

As regards the Tories, I don't think it matters at the moment. They need to get together and face up to their failure in government and discuss how they are going to do it better next time. When things start to fall apart with Labour and another election is looming, then will be the time to select a leader who will represent the new Conservatives.

So you don’t think the Tories need to decide soon what they stand for and organise themselves in such a way that they can elect a leader to challenge the government over the next five years then Curtainwitcher? Wow.