Who should lead the Tories now?

Love that Nankate!

Any political party needs to decide what is electable, the Tories did it with Johnson, Labour did it with Starmer.

We don’t have clue what will be needed next GE

Curtaintwitcher you seem very sure that this government will fall apart. I am not a Labour supporter and didn't vote Labour last week, but I think this is the first proper grown-up government we have had in over 25 years, with a leader with proven successful career behind him who has played his cards very well over the last 5 years and I see no reason for that to change.

I'm still curious as to why Keir Starmer was elected as leader of the Labour party. Was he really the best candidate

Well, curtaintwitcher, it’s proved incredibly successful so looks like Keir Starmer was the best man for the job

I don’t think the election result was down to Starmer. It was down to a good PR team behind him and most importantly, 33% of the population being Labour supporters and the rest being divided between Conservatives, Lib/Dems, and Reform, plus a good percentage who didn’t vote, which split the vote leaving the way clear for a Labour victory.

Despite not being a Labour voter, I still think the best man and best party won. The Conservatives were the only realistic alternative government and they are, currently, a completely busted flush and incapable of giving us good governance and have been in that state for the last 5 years. Neither Reform or the Lib Dems (whom I support) have enough support in the country to form a government.

As for those who didn't vote. Quite simply they do not count. They are ostriches, who bury their heads in the sand, thinking that way the lions won't see them. There may be no one you would vote for, but there is always someone you can vote against.

I'd like to see a successor who can draw a clear line between Conservatives and Reform to get a reasonable opposition who agree on major areas of policy.

The Conservatives have a lot of regrouping to do. In the current lot the former leadership candidate Tugendhat could be a possible but I'm not an insider and know "possibles.

Clearly not Braverman, she's positioned herself close to Reform and also showed no hesitation in stabbing Sunak in the back days before the election.

I'm Labour clearly I dont know what Conservatives want but surely a solid place in the "middle ground right" with proper policies.

I hoped for Rory Stewart when Boris was chosen instead.
I doubt Rory would want to come back, so now I think Kemi Badenoch or Penny Mordaunt - someone strong and determined with the country's best interests at heart.

Tugendhat voted for Liz Truss so his judgment will always be tainted in my view.

Penny Mordaunt lost her seat in the election so cannot be the leader of the party. She is no longer an MP>

I have been watching the Tory party since the election, and still chaos reigns - when will they learn?

Today for example there was an election for a new 1922 chairman, but the whips gave out the wrong times which meant that some were unable to vote - so now there is massive arguments going on.

Jenrick and Braverman have fallen out publicly - big time.

The Nat Cons are accusing the party of moving too far to the left 😄😄

The only one behaving with any real dignity rather weirdly is Sunak

Sparklefizz

Tugendhat voted for Liz Truss so his judgment will always be tainted in my view.

I knew there was something Tugendhat did that changed my opinion of him.

maddyone

I don’t think the election result was down to Starmer. It was down to a good PR team behind him and most importantly, 33% of the population being Labour supporters and the rest being divided between Conservatives, Lib/Dems, and Reform, plus a good percentage who didn’t vote, which split the vote leaving the way clear for a Labour victory.

This election was caught with forensic attention to detail.. And I think the brains behind that detail was Keir Starmer.
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Of course, Boris Johnson only got his 80 seat majority in 2019 because he and Farage did a deal. Farage agreed not to stand Brexit party candidates against the Tories in ‘tricky’ seats, on the understanding that Johnson pushed ahead with Brexit.

Labour won the current election fighting fair and square against all the other parties AND a biased right wing media.

It’s daft saying that Labour only won 33% of the vote. They were the first choice of the electorate in 412 seats. That’s British democracy in action.

It was just the news media pushing that because they were desperate to find an angle to run with.

"...this does show the now nationwide spread of the angry, unsophisticated and susceptible electorate on which reform preys."
That positively drips with condescension. "Angry, unsophisticated and susceptible." In other words, "The Great Unwashed", eh winterwhite? The benighted untermensch who, in their ignorance, voted for Brexit. Thank goodness there are sophisticated, discerning individuals like you around to point out the error of their ways and lead them to right-thinking redemption.

Braverman has been attacked by many Tories over her “divisive right wing”politics.

Her speech made at the Nat Cons conference in USA has angered many in her party, and she has, as a result lost much of the support she was relying on in her bid for leadership.

Some have gone so far as to demand her expulsion from the party, saying that her speech was disgusting and had nothing to do with Tory values.

maddyone

I don’t think the election result was down to Starmer. It was down to a good PR team behind him and most importantly, 33% of the population being Labour supporters and the rest being divided between Conservatives, Lib/Dems, and Reform, plus a good percentage who didn’t vote, which split the vote leaving the way clear for a Labour victory.

This is an interesting analysis, maddie. As a matter of interest, from where did you source your figures?

I would like to see Rory Stewart leading the Tories. As a Labour supporter I am not very invested in making the Tories electable, but I do understand that democracy needs a sensible opposition, and RS does talk sense. I like Ruth Davidson, too, although I know that in both cases this is fantasy football.

I spotted a poll of party members.
news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-has-double-the-support-of-suella-braverman-among-members-to-be-next-tory-leader-poll-suggests-13175817

It seems the membership are likely to make the mistake of voting for the candidate they agree with rather than the person with leadership qualities who can lead them back to the centre ground.

Bodach, well said. i have said much the same on other threads.

Maybe Starmer could lend them a backbencher!

Yes Grantanow, after all, he’s got plenty to spare

As a Labour supporter, I hope the Tories do go even further to the right. Go on Tory members, vote for Kemi

Casdon

I spotted a poll of party members.
news.sky.com/story/kemi-badenoch-has-double-the-support-of-suella-braverman-among-members-to-be-next-tory-leader-poll-suggests-13175817

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