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Mollygo Mon 08-Jul-24 20:18:56

Anneliese Dodds MP @AnnelieseDoddshas been appointed Minister of State in the Foreign, Commonwealth and Development Office @FCDOGovUK.

She has also been appointed Minister for Women and Equalities in the Department for Education.
Surprising, when this is what she said: in response to Emma Barnes
*Emma Barnes*: And Labour’s definition of a woman?
Annaliese Dodds: Well, I have to say that there are different definitions legally around what a woman actually is. I mean you look at the definition within the Equality Act and I think it just says someone who is adult and female, I think, but then doesn’t say how you define either of those things. I mean that’s then… you’ve got the biological definition, the legal definition, all of this kind of thing.

Emma Barnes:. With respect I didn’t ask for that. What’s the Labour definition?

Annaliese Dodds: Well, I think with respect Emma I think it does depend what the context is, surely. You know there are people who have decided to…that they have to make that transition. You know, I’ve spoken with many of them. It’s been a very difficult process for many of those people, and you know understandably because they live as a woman they want to be defined as a woman. That’s what the Gender Recognition Act – again a Labour process – brought into place.

Urmstongran Mon 08-Jul-24 20:21:10

😱

eazybee Mon 08-Jul-24 20:26:51

Oh Dear God.

Smileless2012 Mon 08-Jul-24 20:48:51

Well that says it all. God help women under labour.

Pantglas2 Mon 08-Jul-24 20:56:12

And so it begins…

Well we knew it was coming didn’t we? Let them do their worst for 5 years but that’s all they’ll get!

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 08-Jul-24 21:38:18

That’s not a good start.

Doodledog Mon 08-Jul-24 22:10:43

When did the conversation take place?

I ask as it is clear that Labour has shifted position on this - nowhere near as much as I would like, but there has been movement. A lot of things have been dragged up from ages ago (eg the Lammy quote) and I think it's important to separate things out, so we know what the actual position is.

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 08-Jul-24 22:22:31

Good point. Apparently 8 March 2022 and posted on X by J K Rowling.
x.com/jk_rowling/status/1810260000570221020
So hmmm …

Wyllow3 Mon 08-Jul-24 22:37:07

The O/P has to be kidding - using a twitter post from 2022 and passing it off as contemporary!

Sago Mon 08-Jul-24 22:38:33

I made a resolution to try and be positive re the new government, the appointment of James Timpson was a good start, I just pray they don’t go all woke.

JenniferEccles Mon 08-Jul-24 23:01:56

But is five years all they’ll get though?
There are plans afoot like giving votes to schoolchildren, which could keep them in power for longer, heaven help us.
I’ve also heard rumours about giving prisoners the vote, which ties in quite nicely with releasing them early doesn’t it?

I’ve always said it won’t take long for this government to show its true colours, and as we can see from this ‘what is a woman’ nonsense, it’s already started.

We’ve also learned that the Green Belt isn’t safe from a massive house building plan.
Who are these houses for?
Well, we all know the answer to that, don’t we?

Germanshepherdsmum Mon 08-Jul-24 23:10:18

There’s a lot of flesh to be put on the very bare bones and I think many will not like the detail when it’s revealed. Lots of grandiose talk about attracting investment - I have yet to see an investor who isn’t looking for a good financial return. More disastrous PFI? More toll roads? We shall see. RR talked about hard choices and difficult decisions so many times this morning that I lost count,

henetha Mon 08-Jul-24 23:20:17

I find it seriously disturbing. Is this what we are in for now! It's mad..

Wyllow3 Mon 08-Jul-24 23:20:44

Toll Roads? Appeared last year under committee advising conservatives.

www.telegraph.co.uk/money/net-zero/britain-electric-car-future-toll-roads-higher-income-tax/

Prisoners have the vote?
pa.media/blogs/fact-check/fact-check-labours-manifesto-has-not-promised-to-give-prisoners-the-vote/

If people make allegations, please give sources not make wild allegations.

Wyllow3 Mon 08-Jul-24 23:21:55

henetha

I find it seriously disturbing. Is this what we are in for now! It's mad..

I just advise - don't believe what you read without checking

henetha Mon 08-Jul-24 23:30:00

You have a point Wyllow3. Although it seems like a verbatim response to a question. I will look into it further tomorrow though.

Mollygo Mon 08-Jul-24 23:37:48

It wasn’t how long ago (that was easy enough to find out) that I found strange. It was the fact that he appointed someone unsure of or unwilling to say what a woman is -as minister for women and equality.
I think it reflects badly on his choice-unless it was deliberate and reflects what he really thinks.

maddyone Mon 08-Jul-24 23:48:44

Agree Mollygo.
It’s an old quote, but disturbing nonetheless.

Doodledog Mon 08-Jul-24 23:51:25

No, it shows that that was the LP policy at the time. I’ll wait to see what it is now before reacting. If it’s remotely similar to that I shall be in touch with my new Labour MP.

maddyone Tue 09-Jul-24 00:22:53

You’re always a staunch supporter of women’s safe spaces Doodledog, and so am I.
I won’t contact my MP about Labour policy though, since I’ve got a Conservative MP still, and we don’t yet know what the official policy will be.
I’m not a fan of Anneliese Dodds though, so I haven’t got great expectations of her. I’d have liked to see someone like Yvette Cooper in this role, but I suppose that was never going to happen.

Galaxy Tue 09-Jul-24 05:24:25

I think we wait. It doesnt fill me with a great deal of hope but let's wait.
Anyone involved in this discussion knows exactly the nonsense labour came out with in the past, I think it isnt fair to say that people arent well informed on labours previous position. However when people change their mind we do have to accept that otherwise there was no point in the work of many many women.

vegansrock Tue 09-Jul-24 05:57:26

This isn’t an official statement of policy.

David49 Tue 09-Jul-24 07:21:20

It’s easy to “talk the talk” achieving the changes within existing regulation is going to be impossible. As for attracting investors, they are only interested if they are paid a worthwhile profit.

For example investors in the water industry do it for profit not for charity, if Thames Water cannot attract investors nothing gets improved. If the government takes over they still have to attract investors to pay for improvements.

Galaxy Tue 09-Jul-24 07:32:40

Women are not the same as water.
Just nipping this in the bud before another 'movement' starts grin

Sparklefizz Tue 09-Jul-24 07:43:22

So depressing.