Where is Nigel Farage?

I am guessing she was banned. She once told me that my children would have nothing to do me, that was fun.
The world is a funny place isnt it going back to Farage. Labour have just voted to keep two child benefit cap, suspended 7 Mps who voted against it. Reform voted to scrap it.

There is more than one way to take families and children out of poverty. And doing something that might push up inflation etc isn’t going to help anyone. As soon as the government feels the country can afford to remove the two children cap they will. It isn’t as if they are the ones that implemented it or had a PM that crashed the economy. Imo the 7 MP’s who voted against it are all Corbynites who just want to cause trouble for Starmer. As for Reform, of course they will vote in any way that can cause problems for the government even though they don’t appear to have a credible economic policy if their own.

It's the right thing to do and everyone knows it. I was utterly opposed to Corbyn. Rosie Duffield spoke out against it as did Gordon Brown, they arent what I would describe as Corbynites.

Reform have their reasons, a different agenda to the 7 Labour MP's. Farage (in the Telegraph, but a paywall) so quoted the DailyMail

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-13530147/Nigel-Farage-says-people-encouraged-children-twice-wed-father-four-backs-scrapping-two-child-benefit-cap-tax-breaks-married-couples.html

Farage wants Britons to have more children

"The Reform UK leader told the ITV general election debate that 'we should encourage people to have children', while he backed greater tax relief for married couples.

Asked if he agreed with Mrs Braverman, Mr Farage said: 'I think we should encourage people to have families.

'I think we should encourage people to have children. I think we should also encourage people in marriage to have some tax benefits as well. We've got to help people.'

The issue of a falling UK birthrate has become something of a cause célèbre on the right, who argue it makes the UK reliant on immigration

Or Farage knows where his votes are coming from. Whereas the labour party may be becoming a party of the middle class. I dont support reform. I support labour. But my morality and beliefs arent based on what my team supports.

Farage wants Britons to have more children
So did Hitler, in Germany.

Farage needs the birth rate to rise or his anti-immigration stance makes even less sense than it does now.

JaneJudge

Nigel Farage doesn't care about any of you, yet you argue amongst yourselves

What an odd thing to say.

I'm not sure it matters whether or not he cares about any of us (and I'm equally sure we weren't under the impression he did).

I don't understand the point you're making.

That you need to think about one another more, that is all

You’ve made me feel like shit, for example and I’ve been having a tough few weeks. We all need to be better people to one another. None of them care about us. The divide between the rich and the poor is astonishing now. Even the educated middle classes are poor now. It’s exceptional, really

Thanks for the link Merion - I'll have a look at that, it seems quite comprehensive.

He talks casually about bringing in private investment but unclear what the money would be used for and whether he understands the particular issues that this very mixed constituency has.

If the median age is 50 - I wonder what kind of business and investment he has in mind?

Yes, the devil is in the detail. Or would be if there were any details.

JaneJudge

That you need to think about one another more, that is all

You’ve made me feel like shit, for example and I’ve been having a tough few weeks. We all need to be better people to one another. None of them care about us. The divide between the rich and the poor is astonishing now. Even the educated middle classes are poor now. It’s exceptional, really

You’ve made me feel like shit, for example and I’ve been having a tough few weeks.

???

I'm sorry you're having a tough time JaneJudge - but I have not addressed you personally on this thread, so I don't understand why you're saying that?

Never lets us down that Farage

‘What an odd thing to say’

‘ I don't understand the point you're making’

I can’t possibly explain on this thread in all honesty.

RosiesMaw2

^Farage wants Britons to have more children^
So did Hitler, in Germany.

Disgusting filthy analogy.

JaneJudge Sorry you're feeling upset by the comments here. Sometimes even a fairly innocuous remark can strike you down when you're feeling low. I would say that the political threads are probably not the place to participate if you're feeling fragile, the cut and thrust on some threads can be brutal. I guess it's a bit like the HoC not for the faint hearted. 💐

Freya5

RosiesMaw2

Farage wants Britons to have more children
So did Hitler, in Germany.

Disgusting filthy analogy.

And then I get told I am wrong for saying the anti-Farage comments are hateful. Well here's the evidence, and there have been plenty more appalling comments like that.

RosiesMaw2 this is an issue at the moment, the two child benefit cap and the fact we are not having enough babies.

RosiesMaw2 this is an issue at the moment, the two child benefit cap and the fact we are not having enough babies.

The choice women have to have babies or not is entirely up to them. The state has no right to interfere with that choice in any way.

I rather suspect that the unspoken message is that not enough white British women are having babies...

Wheniwasyourage

The trouble is that it’s not just his business. He is, as has been said, being well paid to be an MP, which means he should not be rushing off to visit a “friend” like Trump while Parliament is sitting. He isn’t a close relative, as far as I know, and even that wouldn’t be a justification for visiting after Trump has suffered a minor injury. I have no time for either of them but agree with those who think that they are dangerous.

There are more people in this country who I feel are more dangerous than the likes of Farage, who at least is loyal to this country. One has been jailed for life recently, Anjem Choudhary.

Just to be clear, correcting some misinformation given at the top of page 11:

Reform MPs did not vote in favour of scrapping the two child limit on Universal Credit and Tax Credits.

The question was:

… ’but respectfully regret that the Gracious Speech fails to include immediate measures to abolish the two-child limit to Universal Credit; recognise that this policy is pushing children into poverty; further recognise that 1.6 million children are currently impacted and maintaining thispolicy will result in 670,000 additional children suffering poverty by the end of this Parliament; believe that eradicating child poverty must be a primary priority for the newly-elected Government; and therefore call on the Government, as a vital first step in tackling child poverty, to immediately abolish the two-child limit.’.—(Stephen Flynn.)

The House divided.

Division No. 3

Ayes: 103
Noes: 363

Question negatived.

If you look at this, it clearly shows the seven rebel Labour MPs among the members voting Aye.

votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1829#ayes

Click on No Vote Recorded and you will see that the five Reform MPs did not vote.

votes.parliament.uk/votes/commons/division/1829#notrecorded

Chestnut, The anti Farage comments are truly hateful. People who meet him have very positive things to say about him. He is the voice for how so many people feel. That is why Reform are becoming more influential.

Apparently both Nigel Farage and Richard Tice gave pretty good maiden speeches in the HoC

*Farage wants Britons to have more children
So did Hitler, in Germany*

Surely this comment is libel?

Hopefully it will get sent to Nigel Farage for him to decide.

Disgusting comment.

Thank you for the information, Merion.

No that isn’t libel.

If that poster had said that Is like Hitler or similar that would have been libel imo.

But the poster merely comparing the fact that Farage wanting women to have more babies was similar to the Lebensborn e.V is not libellous.

Chestnut

JaneJudge Sorry you're feeling upset by the comments here. Sometimes even a fairly innocuous remark can strike you down when you're feeling low. I would say that the political threads are probably not the place to participate if you're feeling fragile, the cut and thrust on some threads can be brutal. I guess it's a bit like the HoC not for the faint hearted. 💐

I would say that the political threads are probably not the place to participate if you're feeling fragile, the cut and thrust on some threads can be brutal. I guess it's a bit like the HoC not for the faint hearted.

I intended to say the same, but then realised I sometimes dip into political threads myself as a diversion from personal problems, etc.

... and then wish I hadn't.

The thing to remember is that it's not - generally speaking - personal. You can disagree quite vehemently with someone on one topic, and equally enthusiastically agree with them on another.

Nigel Farage divides opinion, that much is obvious. So any thread with his name in the OP is going to potentially become, as you say, quite brutal.

But, as far back as I can remember as a child, politics divided our family members who would sit around the card-table in the evening arguing - not infrequently leading to one of them storming out in temper.

It will always be thus, and when times are hard, when there's a backdrop of global tension (we're now being warned defence-wise to be "ready for war within three years"), it's hardly surprising that anyone who's having personal problems at such a time is going to feel fragile.

I'm not given to nostalgia, but I do now find myself feeling wistful about the late 60s and 70s when political debate was more often likely to be in full swing in the local pub. The internet and SM is a great development, but it has given power and potency to both the marginalised and the more dominant in society (no to mention the perverse who use it to threaten and abuse), so the outcome is inevitable.

Anyway, I apologise if I've been offensive to anyone, it's not deliberate, nor personal, I challenge opinion and comment (and am equally contested) that's all. Sometimes, I don't even look at the name of the person whose comments I'm responding to.