Transwomen take all three medals in 'women's' cycling championship.

I agree Iam64 it's no different to domestic abuse when it's a boxer with male advantage boxing a female. I'm not keen on boxing as a sport for men or women, but at least the participants should be giving informed consent to be a participant.

I find it difficult not to see it as a form of domestic abuse - the male beating the female I mean. Though I share varian’s comment on boxing as sport

Yes, your right Callistemon. I would never watch boxing, think it awful, even more so female boxers. But to see females being beaten by a man that claims to be a woman is the worst thing ever. Testing has to be carried out and must be done on these two male boxers before they get their criminally got medals!

Well, it's not a sport I enjoy watching or would want any of my family to participate in but we do know a female gold medallist boxer and the aim is to win by strategic methods, not brute force.

Unfortunately, the two most likely to win at these Olympics will win by brute force.
The IOC seems to be lagging behind other organisations and should be insisting on genetic testing, simple to carry out, not at all intrusive.

There is a legitimate question about the so-called "sport" of boxing, the object of which is to win by badly hurting your opponent.

This is not a sport compared to running, cycling, tennis, swimming, football, high jump, sailing, hockey, gymnastics, etc where you win if you perform better that you opponent.

Iam64

Imagine you’d been asleep for 30 years and were kissed by a prince and awoke to the coverage of these olympics. Men who look like men boxing as women. Hard to believe isn’t it

Like waking up in some dark fantasy world where nothing is as it seems.

Imagine you’d been asleep for 30 years and were kissed by a prince and awoke to the coverage of these olympics. Men who look like men boxing as women. Hard to believe isn’t it

I feel very angry for the (real) women who have trained and worked so hard for this Olympics , only to have victory snatched from them so unfairly. In many sports there is only likely to be one games when players are at the top of their game and in with a chance. Next time will be too late, so a lifetime’s ambition is crushed by a cheat, and worse, it happens in plain sight with the support of the authorities.

Yet still a man, absent mindedly rearranging his 'tackle' before fighting the female boxer!

“Imane Khelif, the Algerian boxer engulfed in the Olympic gender row, cried “I am a woman” after easily-winning another bout to guarantee a medal.

In raucous, emotionally-charged scenes at Paris Nord Arena, 600 French-Algerians ferociously cheered another victory for the controversy-stricken fighter. Khelif was overcome with emotion, crying uncontrollably after the unanimous decision victory over Hungarian Luca Anna Hamori.

She sank to her knees, pretending to write her name on the canvas, but then refused to stop for most questions from a pack of 300 assembled journalists. “I feel good,” she initially told the BBC. “It’s the first medal for a woman from Algeria. I’m very happy. I want to thank all the world, the Arabic world. Thank you so much.”

She then added to Algerian TV: “I dominated. I dedicate this victory to the people of Algeria.”

She later swept through the media mixed zone, fighting back tears with an Algerian flag wrapped around her back. After she stopped very briefly, Algerian reporters claimed she declared: “I want to tell the entire world that I am a woman, and I will remain a woman.”

Source: TheTelegraph, just now.

This boxer should not be described as a transwoman.

That term means someone who was a man but now wishes to be regarded as a woman.

Thank-you AGAA4 for your reply. So saying the boxer is a transwoman is not quite right. Are we allowed to use the term hermaphrodite as I have seen a few t.v. programmes where babies were born with both gender for male/female and the doctors usually took the sex that was more dominant. Still very confusing and must be hard for the person concerned.

Yes it is a mess but I don't think the answer is as easy as we think. The term Biological female is used, I am not sure what exactly is meant by that. Does it mean they have XX chromosomes, there are some female that have XY chromosomes. Does it mean they have female reproductive organs again not all women can have babies. Does it mean they have lower levels of Testosterone but this can be altered with drugs.

I think I would go with have to pass all three and more. It may mean that some women may not pass but it would be better than the mess we have now.

Female and open categories.
That’s all it needs. Females, Bi, trans, drag queens, cross-dressers, dsd,
all tested by swab, regardless of how they feel on the day, both before and after races.
My DGD who is grateful that her swimming club only has female and open categories, suggested that the cheating TW could be useful as pace-setters. They couldn’t win the female race but they might serve a useful purpose.

RosiesMaw2

Being flippant (or I might weep) let’s see how they’d cope with the 100m sprint to get the washing in when it starts to rain, the 50m hurdles over the toys -especially Lego- in the living room, the ironing marathon, the 1000m supermarket sprint before the parking gives out, and the putting your own washing (especially socks) in the laundry basket.
That’d sort ‘em.

Wonderful.
I had an uncle who decided he would be female until he discovered he had to 'do' for himself. Reverted to male.

Disgusting!

That is because politics/sport has not caught up with societal change

That is presuming that “societal change” is equally applicable in all circumstances.
Obstetrics!
Erectile deficiency?
Contact sports?
Equal does not necessarily mean identical

3nanny6

I am a little confused but also a bit uneducated in all this transgender stuff. I think that in order to compete the person must have to start transitioning by age 12 years and have to use whatever drugs it takes to alter their bodies. I watched a bit of the Olympics boxing and I thought the boxer resembled a man but then it was said she was a trans women. I feel silly to ask but do these trans women have to go through gender surgery and have the penis removed? or is it okay to be called a woman even if they have a penis? All very strange to me.

The boxer isn't a transwoman. Misgendered at birth and brought up as a girl but seems he went through male puberty. The jury seems to be out on that. I hope you aren't even more confused now.

On nother forums transwomen (aka men) talk about their 'girl dicks' and complain that lesbians don't fancy them. All getting a bit too confusing.

I am a little confused but also a bit uneducated in all this transgender stuff. I think that in order to compete the person must have to start transitioning by age 12 years and have to use whatever drugs it takes to alter their bodies. I watched a bit of the Olympics boxing and I thought the boxer resembled a man but then it was said she was a trans women. I feel silly to ask but do these trans women have to go through gender surgery and have the penis removed? or is it okay to be called a woman even if they have a penis? All very strange to me.

I'm not sure there would be enough 'others' at Olympic level to compete against each other.
Transwoman should never be allowed to compete with women.
If they are good enough they should be competing with other men but I wonder how many of them are good enough?
The truth is that they wouldn't be up to the standard of the men but can still easily beat women.

Definitely three categories is the way to go.

Females

Males

Others (this can include trans, binary, intersex etc.,)

There is absolutely no reason why anyone other than a born XX female should be in women’s or girls sports.

TerriBull

I agree with Bluebell, 3 defined biological people, should equate to 3 categories. Otherwise it all comes across as cynical knowing ploys to erase women out, they, the trans know they can trounce women every time. What's the point therefore of devoting hours of time and effort into a pursuit they, the actual women don't have a hope in hell of competing in, in any meaningful way against male bodied people. It's rubbish! Anyone with a sense of fairness knows it's cynical manipulation and so unfair.

Yes, three categories. It the fairest way.

That is because politics/sport has not caught up with societal change.

It will though and my guess is before the next olympics take place.

Crikey that article is a good example of the utter mess we are in.